Honda Loses in Court - Page 2

Willie Williford · 02-02-2012, 08:01 PM

See I told you..............Money.

Willie

phuber · 02-02-2012, 09:06 PM

I'm not surprised she won, but rather that she won $9800. I was expecting maybe $400-$600 as something more realistic (note; I own an I1 so have no personal interest). All along Honda's been trying to buy off HCH owners cheap and the real winners were going to be the lawyers in the firm handling the class action. I guess this proves you don't need math skills to become a judge. If HCH owners go to small claims in droves then chaos will ensue as every car is different and judges will come up with varying numbers.

I'd really like to see why the judge thinks $9800 is even in the right order of magnitude. I heard there are no punitive damages so he's added up a column of numbers which involve actual losses to get $9800 ($200 less than was asked, interestingly). What the case needs is real mediation, engineers and accountants who aren't burdened with law degrees.

Cobb · 02-02-2012, 09:47 PM

This article did not mention it, but I thought I read else where this all started when the software in her car was "upgraded" and the mpg went even lower than it was to start with?

I really do not see the problem. I work for a bank and I always hear people saying they are going to sue me, the bank, etc. I to date do not know of anyone who actually followed through with it.

Ive been part of class action law suits and at first they were pretty good. I remember the toshiba one about the disk drive. I got a coupon and an external drive for each one I owned. I used the coupons to buy a nice toshiba desk top.

The last one was ebay for selling a few cars a few years ago. I got 3 cents. I just tore the check up, I am not wasting my time to deposit it. They can deal with it.

She just proved you do not need a lawyer and can cut out the middle man.

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nursemike · 02-02-2012, 09:58 PM

I've got an '06 HCH II. She is right with regard to some of her complaints. My IMA battery behaves much worse than it did before the latest sw updates. The battery is now out of balance and crashes every trip at least once.

Honda "broke" the car, not the EPA. Those who solely complain about EPA specs need to be realistic. Prior to the updates I regularly exceeded the 2008 EPA numbers and was often within 10% of the original 2006 window sticker.

I don't want $10k and I think a nearly $10k judgement is excessive though it sends a message. I want a new IMA BATTERY or at least the cost of a BetterBattery and, say, $500 for my trouble.

If a company tries something and it doesn't work, those outcomes are bound to happen. When a company tries to cover up/ignore the bad outcome as Honda is doing, they deserve whatever negative publicity and associated costs result.

Expertfabricator · 02-02-2012, 10:05 PM

I think people are far too quick to sue for anything they think they have a remote chance of winning. Nobody wants to earn money they want to take someone else's. I should try and sue honda for my input shaft bearing needing to be replaced so soon. Punitive damages, elevated stress level and blood pressure prior to replacing due to worry over it failing completely before I replaced it. I think Im going to shoot for 6 figures. I think honda paid out to shut her up because she was so annoying and such a waste of time.

Cobb · 02-02-2012, 10:11 PM

Expert, go for it. Go to your local court house or call one of those TV judge programs. Its your right as a citizen.

I honestly think the world would be a better place if everyone was issued a gun. People would have more respect for each other.

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bryankwalton · 02-02-2012, 11:09 PM

Would a moderator please move this thread to the Other Honda Hybrids Discussion - Insight Central: Honda Insight Forum area?

Thanks,
Bryan

Varak · 02-03-2012, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nursemike

I've got an '06 HCH II. She is right with regard to some of her complaints. My IMA battery behaves much worse than it did before the latest sw updates. The battery is now out of balance and crashes every trip at least once.

Honda "broke" the car, not the EPA. Those who solely complain about EPA specs need to be realistic. Prior to the updates I regularly exceeded the 2008 EPA numbers and was often within 10% of the original 2006 window sticker.

I don't want $10k and I think a nearly $10k judgement is excessive though it sends a message. I want a new IMA BATTERY or at least the cost of a BetterBattery and, say, $500 for my trouble.

If a company tries something and it doesn't work, those outcomes are bound to happen. When a company tries to cover up/ignore the bad outcome as Honda is doing, they deserve whatever negative publicity and associated costs result.

This is what a lot of people are missing. And it effects the I1 to some extent as well.

The software changes that Honda did to the BCM/MCM (forget which) has resulted in lower MPG due to stronger protection of the battery.

The didn't do this to help the consumer, they did this to save themselves money (not having to replace so many batteries) and it had the side effect of costing owners a lot of money due to lower MPG.

firsthonda · 02-19-2012, 07:44 PM

I'm betting as a result of these suits, when you buy a vehicle in the future they'll have you sign a release stating that you can not sue if your MPG falls short of the EPA estimates. That's what this country has come to.

firsthonda · 02-19-2012, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varak

This is what a lot of people are missing. And it effects the I1 to some extent as well.

The software changes that Honda did to the BCM/MCM (forget which) has resulted in lower MPG due to stronger protection of the battery.

The didn't do this to help the consumer, they did this to save themselves money (not having to replace so many batteries) and it had the side effect of costing owners a lot of money due to lower MPG.

Now that isn't right. That part of the suit has merit.