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Old 04-17-2017, 11:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First Gen Honda Insight, Pros and Cons - The Drive
First Gen Honda Insight, The Fine Print

The Drive - 7h*ago


Earlier this April, Matt Farah did a One Take video with a viewer's Honda Insight, and now there has been a splash of people asking about the car. In 2000*...


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Old 04-18-2017, 09:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What a terrible article.
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+1. Whoever wrote this REALLY needs to check their facts. Previous Owner stated lots of possible problems as wide-spread facts, which they are not.

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That and the article is literally comprised of potential issues. That's it. Literally no other info.
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Exactly. Lots of possible routine maintenance problems that some see on neglected cars. NONE of the special endearing qualities of our cars were mentioned.

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Not only that, but unreasonably short times for failures.

"ate the primary cats every 100k miles."
"EGR plate and EGR valve requiring frequent maintenance 20-30k miles."
"O2 sensor which is much more expensive and usually fails at 60k miles."
"all replacement packs are refurbs or rebalanced for long-term ownership"
"CVTs are known for failures around 100k depending on driving habits."
"starter which only activates in extreme cold and needs to be monitored or no start conditions occur."

What the fresh, hot, bullshit is this?
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What a load Of bull plop.

But the photos were nice.
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Well, this is the Insight enthusiasts site, so don't shoot me for saying this, but as a recent enthusiast, if I remove this enthusiasm and look through the lens of a "normal" car owner, all the points are spot on. A normal car owner is fearful of *any* car maintenance issues as every trip to the mechanic is financially painful. Relatively oddball problems cause even more fear and anxiety for such an owner. Several months ago, I was such a vehicle owner and I can say from an unbiased outsider's point of view that all the points raised are legit real world concerns for normal people. I'll highlight a few key points I have direct experience with from my short ownership of this vehicle:

-A normal person wouldn't extend O2 sensor for failing CAT and P0420. They'd be looking down at the instant salvage status of a CAT replacement
-The primary O2 sensor is indeed very expensive compared to most other cars, and affects lean burn performance directly
-The car does run out of power over extended hills, and having to downshift suddenly from 4th gear to 2nd gear up a hill is not something a normal person can be expected to deal with
-Grid charging periodically is not something a normal person wants to deal with
-I have tested probably 10 vehicles while shopping. I got lucky and purchased one without 2nd gear grind. Every other one has the 2nd gear grind due to lackluster transmission design by Honda.

Now that I'm a newbie enthusiast, I really love this car and tinkering with it. But for someone who just wants a car to go from point A to B reliably, I'd warn them against the Insight, and encourage them to go the route of a normal Civic or Prius instead, depending on if they prioritize fun driving experience or just solid reliable utilitarian transport.
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+1. Whoever wrote this REALLY needs to check their facts. Previous Owner stated lots of possible problems as wide-spread facts, which they are not.

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As well as their spelling and grammar.
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if I remove this enthusiasm and look through the lens of a "normal" car owner, all the points are spot on.
Yup, these cars certainly do have their issues.

That said, they are still awesome.
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