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Old 01-09-2008, 02:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Folks.

Anybody out there tried installing a hydrogen system to an insight as described at http://www.water4gas.com?

It appears to be a valid system with very positive results on older model vehicles.

Any comments?
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It appears to be gimmick. Recently they did an experiment on myth busters and determined a Brown Gas generator did nothing to improve performance on an ICE. It simply didn't produce enough hydrogen.
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You've got to be kidding... that's pure hokum...
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Been talked about before.

They are using the higher flame speed of hydrogen in order to sustain a lean burn process in a Engine not built to do lean burn like the Insight's engine is.

Energy is lost as the conversions are not 100% efficient in each step... You get better results from the way that Honda does it...

So the answer is... Your Honda Insight in lean burn already does this and does a better job of it.

They convert some of the mechanical energy of the ICE into electrical energy from the alternator 10% + Loss .... they use this electricity to power a electrolysis process 40% + Loss ... they use the electrolysis to split watter two hydrogens and one oxygen into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas.... they inject the hydrogen gas into the air intake.... Hydrogen has a much higher flame speed than gasoline does.... The higher flame speed lets the combustion process continue to leaner fuel conditions than it would normally.

As said above the Insights Lean burn mode does a better and more efficient process of getting the same lean burn operation.

Also Remember if you put 2 Hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom together they will combine into water HHO will become H2O all by itself... you can not store them in the same container as that web site suggests... unless of course... the container is constantly kept at very high temperatures... temperatures above 3,000 degrees F can split water with the heat instead of the electricity as a electrolysis process does.... but 3,146 F will only have about 0.69% Hydrogen splitting .... even as high as 5,846 F you only get 57.43% Hydrogen splitting.
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:01 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Any comments?
Yup. If it sounds too good to be true.....

For 200 bucks, if it worked it would be BIG news.

Save your money.
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Watch out!

If it sounds too good to be true - it's probably a lie.

Gasoline from water? I very much doubt it.

H2 and O2 gas from water - yes - but that's the extent of it and that's what makes fuel cell powered electric cars to interesting - there's a lot of water available on this planet.

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Old 01-10-2008, 12:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Brown's gas has very interesting and unique characteristics for welding. Engines can be designed to run on it, but they function on the basis of implosion not explosion and are limited to the force of atmospheric pressure. They are totally impractical for transport.
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