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Old 06-25-2008, 04:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Oil change. . .

. . . after much searching in the UK, I've managed to find a mail-order source of 5w30 oil and I've got my four litres sitting at my feet (in a container!). I thought I'd give you guys the chance to shout 'Nooooooo!!!' when I say that it is Castrol Magnatec 5w30 (A1, whatever that is). Apparently it will ' keep your Ford car at its peak for longer.' All very well, but will it suit my Insight? And will four litres be enough?

By the way, I'm handing the oil to my local Honda dealer to install during its service. I'm resigned to putting the air back in the tyres afterwards but are there any other dealer 'touches' that I should be wary of? I'm sure that all this stuff is tackled eloquently elsewhere on the site but I can't see it. . .
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Your Insight takes 2.6 quarts of oil. That's two point six quarts, no more, no less. Make sure the gunzels doing your oil change only get three quart containers, and return one to you with just a bit less than half the contents remaining, to ensure they didn't overfill the crankcase. If you're buying it in a bulk container, which from what you've written leads me to believe you have, decant the oil into a measured container and just take that to the dealer.

And you must know by now your Insight calls for synthetic 0w oil instead of 5w, it will absolutely run fine with the 5w oil (as long as it's synthetic) but do understand your car will will take a mileage and performance hit of small consequence.

Does your Honda dealer not have the correct oil? Or are you just trying to save a couple of pennies? I've never quite understood the idea of deviating from the recommendations of the manufacturer when it comes to vital fluids, unless the required oil or transmission fluid or brake fluid or whatever is just totally unavailable...
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Oil change. . .

Yes, it's synthetic alright. And, no, the dealer doesn't supply anything other than 20w50 which is what they put in last time and I had to get them to take it back out and put a 10w40 in temporarily - hence the decision to supply my own this time. (They do a very good job on the car otherwise).

I guess I'll have track down a 0w30 for next time. Thanks for your advice.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I can't imagine a dealer using nothing other than 20W-50......I doubt there's any car made today that reccomends 20W-50. Also, I don't believe Honda "requires" synthetic oil in an Insight. They only reccomend 0W-20 oil as their preference.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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For the benefit of any other British innumerates who happen to be passing: the American quart = .946 litres, therefore the engine oil capacity of a UK Insight = 2.4596 litres. No, don't mention it, you're very welcome.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:30 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Correction: it was 10w40 that the dealer put in to the Insight last time - apologies for misleading. . .
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Can anyone comment on acceptable 0-20 oils that might be available outside of the Honda dealer? What about oil filters as well.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Mobil 1 0W-20 and Penzoil Platinum 0W-20, both synthetics. You'll get alot of different opinions about oil filters, however many forum members, including myself, are happy with the Supertech filter available at Wal-Mart for under $3.
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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For the benefit of any other British innumerates who happen to be passing: the American quart = .946 litres, therefore the engine oil capacity of a UK Insight = 2.4596 litres. No, don't mention it, you're very welcome.
Thank you! I always said 2.5 litres but I now know it should be 2.46 litres

By the way, at your last oil change did you not ask the dealership to order in three litres of the 0W-20 oil beforehand? I have quoted the UK part number on this forum a couple of times. When I previously had to deal with the dealership servicing I got so fed up I really wanted to stand over them whilst they did the work...
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Old 07-01-2008, 01:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Oil change. . .

Thanks for the advice, people. Today I have at my feet (it's getting crowded in here. . . ) a 5-litre container of Motul 8100 Eco-lite 0w20 synthetic for tomorrow's service on my Insight. The dealer has shown a distinct lack of enthusiasm for sorting out the right oil, even though I offered the part number Citrus Smoothie quoted. (Not recognised 'on the system', apparently). On the other hand, the rest of their work on the car can't be faulted.

It's a fairly typical scenario. They're a high-vehicle-turnover operation that, like a couple of big dealers I've encountered, have an inwardly focused efficiency based on current/recent/standard models that leaves the non-standard customer out of the loop.

It's understandable for a business sector that's running on tight margins with a strict, group-dictated business model to follow but it's their loss really, since someday I'll be in the market for whatever Honda finally alights upon as the 'new' Insight, and now I know how this dealer's interest fades as the vehicle gets a little older.

Like most people, I really haven't got the time to act as a service overseer and I'm on the look-out for an alternative service source. The London garage importer I got the car from at the start of the year talked about working towards selling a 'critical mass' of imported Insights into the UK to create a sustainable sub-population of cars and owners.

This would, he said, enable him to justify and operate a service-and-secondhand parts business. It sounded good to me but, so far, there's no further sign of life on this and the lack of follow-through or answers to emails suggests it's dead in the water. I would even have offered a voluntary hand on network communications for his vehicle parc. (It's what I do. . .)

Clearly, Insights in the UK are never going to form a population on the scale of, say, MGs and Triumphs, that would support the setting up of a Register with the purchasing power for establishing and maintaining a reliable source of parts. Neither could it be worthwhile for an independent (ex-Honda franchise, dare I say?) garage to operate an Insight sideline on bespoke servicing. From what I've seen here on InsightCentral, it looks as though UK Insight owners are generally self-sufficient individuals who almost take a pride in pursuing their own solutions.

And yet sometimes I wonder 'what if? But then again, who's going to kick it off? Who indeed. . .
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