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Old 10-21-2011, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Oil analysis reports for my 2000 Insight.

I've been posting oil analysis on my 2006 Prius since its 1st oil change and I figure I will start doing the same for my used 2000 MT Insight.

I don't know what oil was used in this car but from now on its Mobil1 0W/20

Here is my first report from Blackstone Labs.

Date 2011/10/15
Miles on oil: ???5000???
Miles on engine: 130,000

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This isn't the best report we've seen from a Honda engine, but we've definitely seen resilient Honda engines recover from worse, so we're not giving up on this engine. Averages show normal wear levels after ~8,400 miles on the oil. Aluminum likely shows some piston (or bearing) wear, and copper comes from brass/bronze. Tin is probably a coating applied to pistons or other parts. If silicon is dirt (check your air filter) it might be causing wear. A little fuel (like 0.5% here) is fine. The TBN is good at 2.1 since 1.0 is low. Try 3,000 miles next time to monitor progress.
ALUMINUM 23
CHROMIUM 1
IRON 14
COPPER 24
LEAD 0
TIN 12
MOLYBDENUM 56
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 1
BORON 60
SILICON 61
SODIUM 2
CALCIUM 1797
MAGNESIUM 60
PHOSPHORUS 763
ZINC 900
BARIUM 0


SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 49.0
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 6.96
Flashpoint in °F 375
Fuel % 0.5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.4
TBN 2.1
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Awesome, once I get my Amsoil, I'm gonna try the Blackstone analysis after the first oil change.
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Is it actually possible to get this done in the UK I wonder and how much was it? I'm intrigued.
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Yikes. You need to immediately evaluate the engine. While it's true what they said, it definitely could be worse, those numbers are VERY high and overall alarming for an engine with so few miles on it.

My initial guess is that you have an air leak. Check your air filter and tubes, make sure everything is sealing. If that 61ppm silicon is from dirt intrusion, that could easily explain your high wear numbers. Also check the intake manifold.

6.96cSt @ 100C is VERY thin. Something sheared this oil to hell and back. That could also be contributing to the wear. A healthy 0W-20 is in the 8cSt @ 100C range.
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Everything looks fine to me as far as the air filter and intake areas go. Could it be I may have gotten some dirt in there when I cleaned the EGR plate a while back?

Also I don't know what kind of oil was use on the last oil change or how long ago it was. So this might also be a factor.

I'm going to go for 5000 miles on this new oil and see what happens.
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That's possible, but 61ppm is a lot of dirt... assuming it's dirt.

I would re-check your EGR plate work. To check to see if the intake manifold is leaking, get a can of carburetor cleaner, start the engine, and start spraying it around the intake manifold. If the engine gets a whiff of the carburetor cleaner, RPM will change.
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I'll give that a try the next chance I get.
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TheOil Lab is based in Blackburn and charge £26.95

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Looks like a long oil change interval to me. I wouldn't say these results are serious. Elevated, yes, but I wouldn't put any huge concern over a single run at a little over single digit PPM levels. If it continue it would need some investigation but without knowing how long it ran for I'd figure its just on a long run on what looks to be something other than a full synthetic. The additive levels make me certain this is not Mobil 1, Amsoil, and I'm pretty sure Honda oil doesn't have loads of zinc either. I know a number of conventional 5w20s and 5w30s that have plenty though. Low TBN is what tips it off as a long run for that particular oil, possibly not a synthetic in there before you changed it.
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