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Old 01-05-2012, 06:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello to all again,
I had my first IMA light come on last evening coming home. It ran fine and no other light came on so after reading a few things here last night, today at noon I took off the battery cables(both) and cleaned them up very good. Then I started the car and run the RPM's up to about 3500 till the battery indicator went to full charge. I then took off the negitive cable 2 more times and did the same thing.
Coming home it was like a different car,,, I had been getting a consistant 63-65 mpg and NOW I got 77.3 on my 34 mile drive home!!!!! Is this result normal after reseting the IMA system???? And more important,,, will it last?????
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What code did you get? Most likely it the code will come back, try to stay away from assist and try to regen as much as possible......The grid charger may be able to bring some life into your battery...
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I didn't have any way of pulling codes, so I don't know what it might have been. The battery is staying closer to full now,, still goes down a couple bars with assist and is acting normal in charging. I could always drain it down to only 2 befoe it did a force charge. I have the clutch switch and I am not usiing the asist as much.
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My guess is that by doing the 3 resets, your pack was stuffed full. From grid charging my pack, I have noticed a small boost in mpg as it seems there is some hidden assist going on that isn't showing up on the FCD; I have noticed anywhere from 10-15 mpg higher. If this is the case, the answer to your question of whether or not it will last, probably not. I'm looking forward to playing around with the OBDII C&C gauge to keep the SoC high and see how much difference it makes. Or, I could get on the ball and hook up my Enginer 4KWh pack.
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Having a gauge that shows the real power going in/out of the pack is rather interesting.

The OEM Asst/Chrg gauge is almost completely useless to telling you any real information about what's happening.

This morning, I saw a 13A charge going into my pack, with no OEM gauge display at all, and that was at 67% SoC!

Not only does it not show things that are fundamentally happening, but "full regen" and "full assist" as registered by the OEM gauge, are not fixed points on the Amperage or Wattage spectrum. I've seen anything from about 6kW to about 12kW (or 45A to about 90A) register as "full assist" on the OEM meter.
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Having a gauge that shows the real power going in/out of the pack is rather interesting.

The OEM Asst/Chrg gauge is almost completely useless to telling you any real information about what's happening.

This morning, I saw a 13A charge going into my pack, with no OEM gauge display at all, and that was at 67% SoC!

Not only does it not show things that are fundamentally happening, but "full regen" and "full assist" as registered by the OEM gauge, are not fixed points on the Amperage or Wattage spectrum. I've seen anything from about 6kW to about 12kW (or 45A to about 90A) register as "full assist" on the OEM meter.
Yep.. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the IMA side of the dash cluster is pretty much worthless.. lol. It's great being able to see actual numbers.

120V x 90A = 10.8kW. I've seen the stock pack peak at just over 11kW, and the BetterBattery at 11.9kW. You'll notice that 1st gear is limited to about 7kW, but the power will really come on strong in 2nd, but only for a few seconds. It's useful to display the wattage so you don't have to try and keep track of voltage/amperage at the same time, but it does eat up a precious parameter slot.
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My pack doesnt even sag that much. At 75% SoC, resting voltage at around 179V, it was only sagging about 10V under a 40-60A load.
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Yep.. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the IMA side of the dash cluster is pretty much worthless.. lol. It's great being able to see actual numbers.

120V x 90A = 10.8kW. I've seen the stock pack peak at just over 11kW, and the BetterBattery at 11.9kW. You'll notice that 1st gear is limited to about 7kW, but the power will really come on strong in 2nd, but only for a few seconds. It's useful to display the wattage so you don't have to try and keep track of voltage/amperage at the same time, but it does eat up a precious parameter slot.
This has just reminded me that I will have to decide what parameters to display. With my Scangauge, I use TPS, LOD, LBN, and fWT. If I recall correctly, the C&C gauge will display 8 parameters? Hmm, decisions decisions.
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My pack doesnt even sag that much. At 75% SoC, resting voltage at around 179V, it was only sagging about 10V under a 40-60A load.
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I suggest you pay better attention. There's a lot if information to soak in. Packs don't rest at 179V(maybe you meant 169V?), and they most certainly don't only drop 10V at 40-60A. Even the BetterBattery drops ~20V @ 60A.

I suggest logging your commute, it's great being able to analyze the data later.
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This has just reminded me that I will have to decide what parameters to display. With my Scangauge, I use TPS, LOD, LBN, and fWT. If I recall correctly, the C&C gauge will display 8 parameters? Hmm, decisions decisions.
It displays 4 ECM parameters and 4 IMA parameters currently. In future revisions, it may be able to be mixed up so you could display say, 6 ECM parameters and 2 IMA parameters or what not.

You'll be able to display TPS, LOD, fWT(ECT) and O2#2 voltage for LBN, in addition to the IMA parameters.
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