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Old 01-11-2012, 11:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My insight has died. To be more specific, I hit a deer a week ago today, and I found out yesterday that the damages are sufficient to total it out. Considering that I drove the car home, and everything except the driver's side headlight and turn signal appeared to work properly, I was hopeful it would not pass the totaled threshold.

I don't think I will be searching for another Insight, or any Honda for that matter. Call me superstitious, but I am starting to think I am not meant to own a Honda. I have owned 3 CRXs. In one I was the at fault driver in a fatal auto accident (I fell asleep). In the second the engine went bad because the oil filter had a crack in it and the oil gauge was not hooked up, unbeknownst to me. The 3rd was wrecked when the wheel fell off. Recently my wife and I got an Accord Hybrid. It had a previous AC repair where the wrong lubricant was used, ruining the whole system. At least we got a refund on that one. Now a seemingly minor wreck is a total loss.

And, my insurance company tried to lowball me on the value at $6000 for a 75,000 mile 2000 manual in good shape (well, it was). They told me they use the average of three comparable Insights for sale nearby. That's the problem; there aren't 3 comparable nearby. I had to fly to Philadelphia to get mine. The nearest Insight in their price range for a manual with decent mileage is in California according to both autotrader.com and cars.com. I pointed this out to them and they "discovered" that they had included a 171,000 mile automatic in as a comparable. So now I have to deal with some insurance company crap too.

It seems there ought to be plenty of good parts on it. I am thinking I should buy it back from the insurance company. I figure that unless it is pricey, the drivetrain and the battery are in pretty good shape, and the frame ought to be worth a bit to the aluminum recycler if nothing else.

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Old 01-11-2012, 11:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Insights are totalled very easily overall because of the aluminum construction. If it still runs and drives, buy it back.

Insight #1 was $800 away from being totalled with a visual inspection. They said that if I elected to have it repaired and they found $800 more in damage, they would total it - and wouldn't put it back together for me. So I just took the check.

It's ugly, but it runs and drives fine. I'll get it fixed eventually. Since it wasn't totalled, it should be worth it.

I say buy it back and get it fixed slowly yourself.
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I would guess many of us would like to buy it to repair. Buy it back and repair it yourself or sell to one of us. I hate to see them scrapped. I don't know how many are left, but we have to keep those that remain on the road.
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I estimate that we're quickly approaching a time when there will be less than 10,000 Insights left on the road...
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I estimate that we're quickly approaching a time when there will be less than 10,000 Insights left on the road...
If we're not there already.

As for this one, buy it back. Period. You said it still runs and drives. That means most of the damage is cosmetic.

That said, $6000 for a 2000MT w/75k miles is about right. I paid $6500 for my 2001MT w/156k km (97k mi), including a set of winter tires, in May 2011, and insight prices have been falling since then.
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...That said, $6000 for a 2000MT w/75k miles is about right. I paid $6500 for my 2001MT w/156k km (97k mi), including a set of winter tires, in May 2011, and insight prices have been falling since then.
Gas is relatively cheap right now (to people with short-term memories)...

Just for grins, this was quoted in the news yesterday by my friend T. Boone Pickens, who has a checkered record with his prognostications, but who is always forthright and entertaining even when he's wrong. I'm not in the habit of predicting the future, but hey... food for thought even if it's off the bubble:

"The former president of Shell oil is predicting that the United States will face 1970s-style energy shortages and rationing by the end of the decade, accusing the federal government of turning its back on the country's domestic oil supply.

"The dire prediction comes as energy analysts toss out a string of frightening predictions about the rising price of oil in the short term. Oil has topped $90 a barrel, and JP Morgan Chase & Co. earlier this month predicted oil could hit $120 a barrel by the end of 2012. At the same time, the national average gasoline price is about $3 a gallon for the holiday season.

"But former Shell executive John Hofmeister offered a more aggressive estimate, saying Americans could be paying $5 a gallon in two years. And he predicted that sometime between 2018 and 2020, supply and demand will become so out of balance that gas stations in several regions of the country will simply start to run out.

"'I think it's going to be a cumulative problem that won't happen suddenly,' Hofmeister, who now heads Citizens for Affordable Energy, told FoxNews.com. He predicted the problem would start with "stockouts" at select gas stations during the summer and during bad weather and then spread. He said those states farthest from refineries would get hit the worst and that in order to maintain some consistency, local and state governments might resort to the kind of rationing they employed in the early '70s -- when drivers with even-numbered license plates would buy gas on even days, and vice-versa.
With this kind of possibility on the horizon, Hofmeister, who earlier aired his concerns in an interview with Platts Energy Week, criticized the administration for cracking down on domestic oil drilling in the wake of the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

"'It is pure politics that keeps us from drilling more of our own resources,' he said.

"The Interior Department announced earlier this month that it would not pursue any new drilling off the East Coast or in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for at least seven years. Planned lease sales would be pushed off until late 2011 or early 2012.

"'As a result of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill we learned a number of lessons, most importantly that we need to proceed with caution and focus on creating a more stringent regulatory regime,' Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in a written statement at the time, calling the new plan a 'careful, responsible path.'"

"The April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig killed 11 people and opened up a leak that gushed oil into the Gulf for months. The decision to tighten Gulf drilling regulations was cheered by environmental groups. The Sierra Club said the BP disaster showed how "dirty, deadly and dangerous offshore drilling is," applauding the administration for heeding those lessons -- the group praised the administration for moving to support alternative-energy investment like wind power.

"While clamping down on domestic energy production, the Obama administration has invested billions in renewable energy sources via last year's stimulus bill and has pushed improved energy efficiency for a range of products in a bid to at least keep demand a bit lower in the long term. New emissions standards for cars and trucks will soon mandate an average fuel economy of just over 35 miles per gallon for new vehicles by 2016.
In addition, the Interior Department is continuing to honor leases for oil drilling in the Arctic.

"But government-fueled investment in alternative-energy research takes time, while other options, like nuclear energy, are slow and costly to get off the ground. Hofmeister, noting that domestic oil production has dropped from 10 million barrels a day just a few decades ago to about 5 million a day, said the United States could address its short- and medium-term energy needs by expanding drilling at existing sites and exploring new sites. He said that could help bridge the gap toward ultimately implementing alternative energy sources on a wide scale, as well as improving mass transit.
Oil industry organizations joined together this month in predicting the new regulations on domestic oil production would hurt the economy and increase dependence on foreign oil. The president of the American Petroleum Institute plans to deliver a speech next week in Washington, D.C., on how domestic oil and natural gas production can help stabilize the country.

"Oil and gas magnate T. Boone Pickens is likewise pushing for U.S. production of both those energy sources in his high-profile campaign to pry the country off foreign oil. But that's just one component. His Pickens Plan organization argues that while the U.S. needs every ounce of domestic energy it can muster, there's not enough oil in all the potential U.S. deposits combined to make up for the 12 million barrels the United States imports every day."

Read more: Former Oil Exec Predicts $5-a-Gallon Gas By 2012, Energy Shortages By Decade's End | Fox News

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Half of every transaction is the money used to pay for the item. When you hear explanations of why prices rise or fall, do not forget the effect of monetary policy. When Congressmen were being beat up for spending a few billion, the Federal Reserve (a private banking cartel) made $16 Trillion available to banks, many of them in foreign countries without any oversight or congressional approval. Prices fluctuate because of supply and demand, but by far the bigger cause is devaluation of the dollar which steals your money no matter where you hide it. Money should be a store of value, but it is not. Sorry...now what were we talking about? Vote Ron Paul
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Bummer about the deer hit. My daughter hit one with my 2001 Insight last November. She drove it home too. The insurance company totaled it as the repairs were over the value of $6000. I bought it back for $1200 and am repairing it myself. I bought a used hood, right fender, headlight and mirror. I straightened out the bulkhead parts inside by hand as best I could. I made a few aluminum shims and spacers to get the headlight and fender to mount properly. There's a big gash in the door from the antler. I will probably rivet an aluminum plate over that - we're going for cheap not pretty. I'm almost done with all that, then I need to have the windshield replaced and charge the IMA battery.

I think the parts total, with the windshield, will be around $700 - $800. It will be a bit of a rat rod, blue with silver hood and fender. If I wanted to make it pretty, I'd probably spend the $400 for a door and a little more for paint by a friend.

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$6000 is about right perhaps in your neck of the woods. In my neck of the woods there is exactly one Insight for sale within 500 miles that has less than 100,000 miles, and the asking price on it is $12599 (albeit for a 2003). The most optimistic argument for the insurance company is a 124,000 mile 2000 for $5500. Once you adjust for mileage-Kelly Blue Book's numbers suggest each mile subtracts about 3.5 cents from the car's value-that leaves the car worth over $7700. And that is best case for them. I think I will buy it back, depending on how much it costs. Worst case scenario I will part it out. Ideally I will collect parts until I can find someone who knows enough about aluminum repair to perhaps fix what is bent (it can't be very bad) instead of using the insurance body shop tried and true method of cutting out the bent part and welding in a piece from a junkyard car. That, of course, isn't practical when the nearest junkyard Insight is probably on the east coast. I'll keep everyone posted.
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The rule in autobody--if it's bent, straighten it, if it's kinked--replace it. Not sure about aluminum, but I don't see what would be so hard about replacing anything. I've replaced frame rails on steel cars. I think the only difference with welding aluminum is the welder--the wire feed is at the tip since it can't push wire all the way from the machine to the tip w/o kinking it. If you can't fix it or don't want to, one of us would love to do it. Buy it back for sure.
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