Please, PLEASE stop selling these "sticks" to people before someoen ends up DEAD.
I just had someone contact me asking for help to install your sticks. If you think for a moment that sticks held together with heat shrink are suitable for use in an automotive environment...... Please, just stop.
It's one thing to tout your cells as HEV cells. It's another to try and sell them as ready to use sticks when they are clearly far, far from that. It's extremely low of you to prey on and sell to uneducated end users.
Some sticks are already issued to test before this, currently we won't sell any sticks until we are ready.
By the way, we are really battery manufacturers in China,just we have difficulty to make the HEV sticks as stock cell.
We won't disappear, and we offer one year warranty for our products.
I know little about the HEV batteries before, now I learnt a lot from you and MIke, so we know what we should do now. Thanks.
Sucre, correct me if I'm wrong but this is my understanding of the Chinese battery industry. In my opinion, the structure causes confusion and frustration from the customer side.
Battery "manufacturers" like Sucre, are not actually the manufacturer. The government sponsors the manufacturing plant, which then provides jobs to the people. If someone wants to be in the battery business like Sucre, they can establish their own company and "brand" but the cells come out of the same factory with the same workers as other brands or manufacturers.
In the North American world, Sucre is a sales representative. Sometimes they will have additional controls over the processes (raw materials and end of line testing). By establishing separate brands from the actual battery manufacturing it reduces the liability and the accountability. So if there is an issue with the product, that brand can easily disappear while the manufacturing site continues on making products and selling all of it good or bad. This is why Sucre has no real data sheets, testing, or even basic tear down information on his product. Its a commodity like tooth brushes and he is just here to push it as a salesman.
The battery business is very expensive if you only deliver top quality product, so to help keep costs down certain brands will sell QC reject cells. All those 20Ah A123 pouch cells that magically appeared for super awesome pricing are probably QC reject cells out the back door of the Korean plants handed to Chinese distributors that we end up buying from. Not to say they aren't fit for DIY hobbyist use, but there is probably a reason A123 rejected them. A bad batch could yield sub par cycle life, C rates, contaminated pouches, high IR, poor cold weather performance, etc...
This business structure is not just for NiMH cells, LiFePO4 cells are made under the same practices. Ever notice that Thundersky, Sinopoly, Voltronix, CALB, etc... all have the exact same line of products, dimensions are identical, molds are identical, they might change the color, and the specifications are all very close.
Its not just the battery business, check ebay for any product and its flooded with Chinese crap under 10 different brand names that are selling identical products.
Not all companies in China operate like this, but my understanding is that its the SOP for business.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't like sub-par product contaminating the battery market. It gives the whole industry a bad name whenever sub-par products fail early, catch fire, or don't perform as expected. An actual OEM has hundreds of pages of charts and test data on their products to apply to every use case. It also goes beyond the cell to stick/pack manufacturing if you ever want to get your product out the door.
As far as I know, manfacturing plants are almost in developing countries,things as you said is very common in the whole world now, not only in China, especially for private enterprise or factories.
As far as I know, manfacturing plants are almost in developing countries....
I think this is generally true for low value-added consumer products. But there's still a lot of manufacturing of high value-added products, such as industrial equipment, airplanes, etc., in developed countries...
I have a great white paper written on this Asian business model but can't find it at the moment, I think its at work.
Hopefully this helps clarify Sucre's role as a "Battery Company" and anyone who wishes to do business with him knows what they are getting.
Lithium battery manufacturer's in the US have a different business philosophy. Make a high end quality product that will last and you will get repeat customers rather than trying to make a quick buck. Unfortunately it costs significantly more money to make a high end battery that lasts vs. something that just works at the beginning of life.
If you ever want to get really high volume sales Sucre, you need a high quality product. 1 kWh at a time is nice to get your name out there or for development projects, but we all know the big money is in the MWh per order sales. Someone who buys MWh at a time will not be as easy to fool as end consumers who can't tell the difference between one cell and the next. The insight central crowd is (unfortunately for you) more educated than most when it comes to battery technologies, since the car attracts the scientist and engineer crowd.
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The insight central crowd is [...] more educated than most when it comes to battery technologies, since the car attracts the scientist and engineer crowd.
I have a great white paper written on this Asian business model but can't find it at the moment, I think its at work.
Hopefully this helps clarify Sucre's role as a "Battery Company" and anyone who wishes to do business with him knows what they are getting.
Lithium battery manufacturer's in the US have a different business philosophy. Make a high end quality product that will last and you will get repeat customers rather than trying to make a quick buck. Unfortunately it costs significantly more money to make a high end battery that lasts vs. something that just works at the beginning of life.
If you ever want to get really high volume sales Sucre, you need a high quality product. 1 kWh at a time is nice to get your name out there or for development projects, but we all know the big money is in the MWh per order sales. Someone who buys MWh at a time will not be as easy to fool as end consumers who can't tell the difference between one cell and the next. The insight central crowd is (unfortunately for you) more educated than most when it comes to battery technologies, since the car attracts the scientist and engineer crowd.
Uneducated end users? I have never said that, on the contratry, as you know,most people here are specialist in this field, I learnt a lot from here since for myself I know little about this product before, and that's why I sent the samples to them to test, I really appreciate their knowledge.
Uneducated end users? I have never said that, on the contratry, as you know,most people here are specialist in this field, I learnt a lot from here since for myself I know little about this product before, and that's why I sent the samples to them to test, I really appreciate their knowledge.
Sucre, will the studies and tests done here on your batteries change the way they are manufactured? Will they be improved upon to be retested?
Sucre, will the studies and tests done here on your batteries change the way they are manufactured? Will they be improved upon to be retested?
We shall improve the internal construction and the IR of the cells, and considering the cost and effectiveness, we will resume the capcacity to 6500mah, anyway, currently MaXIMA batteries are your best choice.
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Hear hear!
