2 quarts in insight - Insight Central: Honda Insight Forum
 
Go Back   Insight Central: Honda Insight Forum > 1st Generation Honda Insight Forum > Honda Insight Forum 1st-Gen Discussion

Insightcentral.net is the premier Honda Insight Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-13-2012, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Irvine CA
Posts: 1,050
Default 2 quarts in insight

I recall back in the distant past (2003) some insighters tried running just 2 quarts of oil. They said it gave them better fuel economy. Any thoughts on that?
__________________
Personal Lifetime MPG:
~90 the original Insight (3-cylinder)(retired)
80+ Civic Hybrid G1 (manual)(lean burn)
70+ Prius G3
theaveng is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 12-13-2012, 01:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Quebec, Canada
Posts: 892
Default

In my opinion it is playing with fire. The risk of ruining an engine to save a couple of cents by tank is not a so good idea.
talonmike is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-13-2012, 02:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
3-Wheeler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 974
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by theaveng View Post
I recall back in the distant past (2003) some insighters tried running just 2 quarts of oil. They said it gave them better fuel economy. Any thoughts on that?
Yes, I have a thought.

I would never do it!!

In this case I do not try to out-guess the engineers who designed the engine and specified an oil fill height in the crankcase.

Let's say for example we have an engine that normally takes three quarts, and we only fill it to 1.5 quarts.

The oil level is now only 1.0 inch above the oil pickup in the crankcase, which for straight-line driving would still be adequate. Right?

Well, now we are driving and we have to swerve around an obstacle in the road, so we yank the steering wheel side to side to avoid the object.

Now what happened to our oil level that was only 1.0 inch above the pickup? Correct, the pickup ran out of oil because it sloshed heavily side to side due to the action of the car.

The engine was starved for oil for a short period of time, but the damage is already done.

________________

I always fill any engine that I maintain to the highest level on the dipstick, as this also maintains a higher quantity of oil in the engine.

This higher quantity provides more long-string molecular chains of oil in the engine, which take longer to degrade over time, since there are more of them there. The additives last longer as well because of the larger amount of oil.

To me it makes sense to "splurge" when it comes to engine lubrication.

Jim.
__________________
2000 Insight MT; MIMA-CL (in spring/fall/winter); Radiator Block; Dabrowski Grid Charger; 90% Under-body coverage; FAS; Tail.
Under-Belly Smoothing Panels: http://www.insightcentral.net/forums...ng-panels.html
Tail Extension: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ect-13533.html

Last edited by 3-Wheeler; 12-13-2012 at 02:15 PM.
3-Wheeler is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-13-2012, 02:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Willie Williford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Campo, Ca.
Posts: 6,153
Default

aveng:
Now that has to be verified by a reference to a thread.
I don't remember reading that information.

Willie
__________________
01 MT "Little Red Rocket"
The first "TURBOCHARGED" Hybrid, Insight G1-(01/2003)@65K miles. RIP 334K
MaxIMA Battery (Serial #2), on 8/25/12 @ 301K miles
Use: 346K mi. @ 58.0 LMPG


http://www.insightcentral.net/forums...d-insight.html
http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/User:...ies_Red_Rocket
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/.../message/12630
Willie Williford is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-13-2012, 10:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
AbCaRed00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: AB
Posts: 848
Default

There is an older thread [from 2004] with a more recent comment [2011] that calls for running less oil in the engine and a discussion follows
Dealer Oil Change. Too Much Oil?
____________
fwiw & iirc: the Japanese hypermiler Kamapu may have run with less volume in the crank case among many other mods.
__________________
Red 2000 CDN @ 248K km. 4.4L/100km
OBDIIC&C, MIMA, GC01, Rostra, Fumoto, Michelins
Photobucket [] & 'G-Drive' Files
Engine P-Codes Diagnostics etc Google Spreadsheet



AbCaRed00 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-13-2012, 11:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Irvine CA
Posts: 1,050
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Williford View Post
aveng:
Now that has to be verified by a reference to a thread.
I don't remember reading that information.
Sorry but I'm not digging through 10,000 posts at Honda-Insight (yahoogroups.com). Who knows where that ancient 2002 or 03 post may be?
__________________
Personal Lifetime MPG:
~90 the original Insight (3-cylinder)(retired)
80+ Civic Hybrid G1 (manual)(lean burn)
70+ Prius G3
theaveng is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-14-2012, 08:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
eq1
Senior Member
 
eq1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: PNW
Posts: 1,967
Default

2 quarts is the first dot on the dip stick...
__________________
2000MT, CAN, ~168K miles
eq1 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-14-2012, 10:16 AM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
AbCaRed00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: AB
Posts: 848
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by theaveng View Post
///digging through 10,000 posts at Honda-Insight (yahoogroups.com)///
Lolz, this forum search engine is a tough enough one for me to locate stuff from, but google gathers with appropriate keywords in fractions of a second:
search keyword entry:[ "Honda-Insight" yahoogroups.com "oil level" +"2 quarts" ]
There's also honda-hybrid@ yahoogroups. com: [ref:]
"Jim Isbell, W5JAI"
> <jim.isbell@ ...> wrote:
>> I dont know about the HCH, but since my insight uses less than 2 quarts, $7 a quart for oil that is good for 15,000 miles just doesnt sound that bad."

Jim's a senior member on this forum and perhaps may clarify if needbe. Seems that there's a lot of folks who are concerned about running over* the upper marked level from viewing searches, [blown seals a worry] but not many people deliberately have been running under the recommended amount other than for economy reasons; most are topping up for engine life sake and I agree.
*fwiw: Most overfilling is at the hands of the dealerships or lube-shops vs. d-i-y work.
__________________
Red 2000 CDN @ 248K km. 4.4L/100km
OBDIIC&C, MIMA, GC01, Rostra, Fumoto, Michelins
Photobucket [] & 'G-Drive' Files
Engine P-Codes Diagnostics etc Google Spreadsheet



AbCaRed00 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-14-2012, 10:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 2,671
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by theaveng View Post
I recall back in the distant past (2003) some insighters tried running just 2 quarts of oil. They said it gave them better fuel economy. Any thoughts on that?
I have considerable doubt that they could even measure a small change in fuel economy. I've tried this kind of testing and it is very difficult with an Insight. The car is VERY sensitive to a wide range of influences. Testing of small changes in near impossible.

I doubt that Honda engineers would have raised the crankcase oil level to the point that the crank could touch the oil. There are numerous technical reasons not do run the oil at that level. Stick with the dipstick.
__________________
2000 MT Citrus(DogBite); 2000 MT Citrus; 2001 MT(Aeromodded); 2006 MT
jime is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-14-2012, 03:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dallas!
Posts: 1,043
Default

Sometimes I wonder about the level of intelligence left in the world.

[Owner's manual] "The dipstick that comes with the car shows the oil in the crankcase is at the correct level with 2.6 quarts in it."

[Some unsung genius] "I think I'll put two quarts instead of what the manufacturer requires."

Someone ought to be able to slap and sterilize those who think that way about anything complicated enough to come with an instruction sheet of some sort...
__________________
Driving on down the road in my 2001 CVT, going "Boogety Boogety" ...and until avatars are provided, my car looks just like the original silver Insight on the header, above... =)
boogetyboogety is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Insight Central: Honda Insight Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:04 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2