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Old 01-25-2013, 09:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Where I live the endless stop signals and the hills seem to overextend the IMA battery. It's almost always below a quarter charge. Was wondering what, or which models out there are the best-
or is there any difference at all between any of them?
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you want the best go to http://99mpg.com/Projectcars/gridcharger/
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks-
I watched the one hour install video last night on youtube. Sure looks like alot of work. Is there anyone near me, (Orange County, Ca.) who has done this specific upgrade? If so, I would like to meet up and see what the system looks like installed. I'll come to your place if that makes it easier.
Also, would like to hear any feed back, both positive and negative, from others who have installed this specific grid charger. I'm assuming this upgrade will prolong IMA battery life and that is the main reason for installing this apparatus.
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I only made one change, I did not remove the battery, rather, connected to the spade connector on the fwd lug of the "white" resistor using a "piggy back" connector. (take care, the Honda Spade connector had an "unlock button"), The entire install only took a bit over an hour.

I couldn't be happier with it, after three charge cycles each followed by aggressive use of assist till the SOC was as low as it would go (I don't have the discharger yet). After that it was like a new car, no re-cal's no IMA faults and very small changes in SOC during my daily drive. My 2006 has 294,000 on the original bat.

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I, too, was discouraged by the amount of work required to install the battery charger harness in the best manner (i.e., by removing the battery pack). My herniated lumbar disc would not be happy removing and installing the battery pack, even if I had made a battery pack lifter and had enlisted an assistant.

So like Hitech, I installed the positive lead using a piggyback spade connector in 2009 with my first simple charger and again in 2012 with my advanced Genesis 1 charger. While bolting the positive lead to the battery pack per Mike's instructions is undoubtedly a more reliable method, Honda didn't seem concerned about using a spade connector to connect a wire carrying full battery pack voltage to the large white resistor, so neither am I. I took care to route the positive charger harness lead so that it would be more difficult for it to unplug. This approach has caused no problems in over 3 years.

It's better to use a charger with a harness installed without removing the battery pack than it is to not use a charger because removing the battery pack to install the harness is too difficult.
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Thanks to both you guys for the input-
Hitech, 294k on the original battery sounds amazing. Don't think I've heard anyone else do that. It speaks well for Mike D.'s grid charger. Do you remember what mileage was on your Insight and the date you installed it?
Aisbell- what does the Genisis 1 do that Mike's doesn't?
I'd rather not do this twice-
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I installed it about a month ago as I was starting to have issues. As I said all is well now.
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I installed it about a month ago as I was starting to have issues. As I said all is well now.
Ok, for some reason I thought you had installed it long ago.
The 294k is probably because you drive on flat ground (still very impressive regardless) and don't push the recharge/discharge to extremes.
I, on the other hand, took my '03MT up to the high Sierra 6 times last year (sea level to 10,000 ft.) and probably will do the same later on this year. (the car performed great carrying myself-180 lbs. and a 40 lb. backpack.)
But I certainly exercised the IMA vigorously and my battery life will surely be affected in the long run.
Even more reason to install the grid charger.
My IMA battery was replaced at about 60-62k.
I have 71k on the vehicle now, so about I've got about 10k on the new IMA battery.
And don't want to destroy it.
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Ok, for some reason I thought you had installed it long ago.
The 294k is probably because you drive on flat ground (still very impressive regardless) and don't push the recharge/discharge to extremes.
I, on the other hand, took my '03MT up to the high Sierra 6 times last year (sea level to 10,000 ft.) and probably will do the same later on this year. (the car performed great carrying myself-180 lbs. and a 40 lb. backpack.)
But I certainly exercised the IMA vigorously and my battery life will surely be affected in the long run.
Even more reason to install the grid charger.
My IMA battery was replaced at about 60-62k.
I have 71k on the vehicle now, so about I've got about 10k on the new IMA battery.
And don't want to destroy it.

By any chance have you done the Calpod modification yet? This is where you can cut out assist / regen at will.

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what does the Genisis 1 do that Mike's doesn't?
Genesis One is the name of Mike's company that designs, builds, and sells Mike's charger. So Mike's chargers are Genesis One chargers.
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