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Old 07-10-2009, 01:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Some issues reported with the new 2010 Prius links below....
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I guess I can't say that these issues surprise me since Toyota really went overboard on the complexity of their new Prius. I prefer to stick to the KISS principle. Fewer over-designed unnecessary things in the car, fewer bugs to work out. I'm sure they will be worked out soon though...
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I guess I can't say that these issues surprise me since Toyota really went overboard on the complexity of their new Prius. I prefer to stick to the KISS principle. Fewer over-designed unnecessary things in the car, fewer bugs to work out. I'm sure they will be worked out soon though...
Some of the issues noted are ones of dealer oversight and I note also that they have been corrected by a little attention to detail.

FWIW: the weather gaskets on all of my windows in the Insight were misaligned and were reinstalled within 10 minutes of my telling the dealer...no crisis, just some attention...

Then, after all of that, I still had to go back and adjust all of the tire pressures so they matched go figure...

It is also worth noting that nothing is a problem, until it is YOUR new car with taht problem, THEN IT IS A NATIONAL CRISIS
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:36 PM   #23 (permalink)
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We were in the same exact boat as you a month or so ago. On paper the Prius absolutely dominates - bigger, more powerful and better mpg. We test drove both back to back before making our decision. Here were the thoughte we had immediately after the test drives..
Toyota Prius

The one on the lot was a Prius III. it is identical to the Prius II we would want except it has a nicer stereo.

Interior impressions.

The Good: The overall layout is as nice as it looked in pictures. Spacious in both the front and rear seats. Visibility out of the car was good with little blind spots. The steering wheel tilts and telescopes and the seat adjusts in a variety of ways (including height0 so driving position was comfortable. the cargo space was large.

The Bad: The materials seemed cheep. Hard plastics and rough edges were everywhere. The steering wheel had plastic overlays that you could move with your finger, the glovebox flopped open with a thud. The dash was HUGE and extended for what seemed like four feet in front of you. this was a demo car with very low miles but there were scratches and scuffs all over the place. The interior would look like hell in no time. The upholestry was very weak feeling. it looked like it would show wear

Toyota seems to have gone out of its way to make this car different for the sake of being different. A push button start, non intuitive displays and controls and a center mounted display that I don't think I could live with.

Exterior Impressions.

The Good: The blockier and wedgier design really looks nice. The angular head and tail lamps look sporty. Overall a handsome car.

The Bad: The "rims" are plastic snap ons over some sort of lower quality rim. bad form.

Driving Impressions

The Good: It was quiet. Visibility was good.

The Bad: Odd start up and weird joystick like shift lever. I had it set in the default mode and acceleration was horrible. even getting going from a stop on flat pavement felt like a big effort for the car. Typical 'floaty" Toyota suspension. Wallowed in corners. it didn't really feel like a "real car".

Overall Impressions.

The Good: Spacious, nice looking exterior

The Bad: Just about everything else.

Honda Insight

Interior Impressions.

The Good: The materials were of high quality. The upholestry was durable, the dash and control stack was made of softer touch plastics, the glovebox opened in a smooth way. Controls were intuitive. The Info feature on the instrument gauge was full of nice features showcasing the IMA Hybrid drivetrain. Comfortable seats with plenty of legroom in front and adequate legroom in back. nice storage area.

The Bad: Slightly small back seat. Smaller storage area than the Prius

Exterior Impressions:

The Good:REALLY sharp. handsome grill with projector headlamps, LED tail lights, mirror mounted turn signals, nice rims.

The Bad: slightly "Priusy"

Driving Impressions

The Good: Felt like a Honda, tight suspension, sharp handling, excellent visibility. Our trip (about 7 miles) averaged 47.7 mpg. The green/blue display by the speedometer really is an effective way to help aid in high mileage driving.

The Bad: Obviously it's not super peppy but despite it's large horsepower gap below the Prius it felt MUCH sportier.

We both are excited about the Insight. I bet we will be ordering one within a month. There is about a 3 month wait to actually get one in. We will probably be getting an EX without Navi with a black exterior and the blue interior. That sounds ugly but it's what the demo model was and it was beautiful.

Overall Impressions

The Good: The "fun to drive Hybrid" label that it has been given by car magazines is very true. it felt not just like a real car but a fun to drive real car.

The Bad: I don't want to wait three months!




We got our Insight EX (without navi) in much less time than they first predicted. They were able to trade with another dealership and got ours in in 6 days. We have about 1100 miles on the odometer and LOVE it. Everything that we liked about it during the test drive still applies and we have been pleasantly surprised by the mileage we are getting. In town we easily achieve 55-60 mpg (using air, listening to the radio and not driving like a hypermiler). On the highway we are averaging a touch over 45 mpg. Our current cumulative average after 1100 miles is 45.8 and climbing.
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We both are excited about the Insight. I bet we will be ordering one within a month. There is about a 3 month wait to actually get one in. We will probably be getting an EX without Navi with a black exterior and the blue interior. That sounds ugly but it's what the demo model was and it was beautiful.

Overall Impressions

The Good: The "fun to drive Hybrid" label that it has been given by car magazines is very true. it felt not just like a real car but a fun to drive real car.

The Bad: I don't want to wait three months!
Clearly someone hasn't been reading their consumer reports... Don't you know that the Insight is a terrible car?!?! Its noisy and rough and you shouldn't wish one on your worst enemy...

Oh wait, I forgot, they're full of $%^&
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Reading some postings here, I learned that no Prius ever built was close to ready for the road, all have been recalled, broken on the road, or otherwise disabled, that Prius in general apparently have a dismal record of failing on the highway and have to be limped or towed to an expensive repair...or at least that is unproven gist of the missives
That comes as bit of a shock to me - I thought they'd be better than that. But I was working in a remote office about a month ago when one guy came in late complaining that the M4 had been all jammed up because of a Prius broken down in the middle lane (and somehow couldn't make it to the hard shoulder refuge). He sneered in that way that people do when they see a Ferrari broken down... It's the backlash against "smug tree-hugging hybrid drivers".

I hope the I2 is as reliable as the Accords I had were. Both were pretty much bullet-proof. Never had one breakdown in a combined 220,000 miles.

I've been a fan of Honda since my first one... I hope my faith in the I2 is justified...

I didn't expect too much in the handling department from my I2 as it's not a sports car but after getting used to it over the last couple of weeks, it certainly goes round corners quite well. It rolls with the punches a bit but credit to it, it holds the line of the corner and doesn't understeer or oversteer.

The only thing that I've not enjoyed is the low feedback from the steering and sometimes a little bit of vagueness around the center steering position when at speed. Maybe this is just the effect of the higher profile tyres and softer suspension than I'm used to. With 17" low profile wheels and tyres and sports suspension, my old car transmitted everything about the road under it. You knew from the feel of the steering if the road was smooth or rough or had a loose or grippy surface. You could sense any camber or rutting from trucks wearing the tarmac down... In the I2... Every road just feels the same, regardless of what it is.

I absolutely LOVE the tiny turning circle it has. The Accord was a nightmare to park in multi-storey car parks and the like because it had the turning circle of an oil tanker. The I2 can just hang a 90 straight into almost any parking space and I can make the exit corner of my garage drive without the rear wheels mounting the kerb! The only car that I've had that was better was the minute Fiat 126 and the Prelude (another long car but it had 4 wheel steering so could turn like a shopping trolley!)

The I2 doesn't feel as planted as the Accord at speed which wasn't fazed by buffeting from big lorries or side winds and would hold a straight line at 140mph (although the sunroof would start to lift and make a hissing noise above 130mph!). Still, the I2 is higher, shorter and lighter (the seating position is so much higher in fact that at first it felt like driving my mum's old Suzuki van!) so it will feel the wind more. My tiny Fiats used to blow around like leaves. The manual says the I2 is electronically limited to 112mph but even if it could get that fast, I'd be worried about its aero-stability at that speed. It didn't inspire confidence at 70mph.

Although it says in the manual to never drive with the wing mirrors retracted, I couldn't help thinking it would be cool to drive along and at a certain speed they would auto-retract to reduce drag in the exact opposite way to Porsche spoilers that come up automatically above 50mph. It would just add to the spaceship appeal of the I2...

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My original comment was a tongue in cheek statement on all of the Prius bashing that occurs on this forum... Sorry if I was not clear on that.

I personally think that the Prius is a fine, reliable car, and in some respects, is better than the Insight...
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I personally think that the Prius is a fine, reliable car, and in some respects, is better than the Insight...
And a collective gasp was heard throughout the forum...
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And a collective gasp was heard throughout the forum...


Got to stay in character, ya know
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Having a 2007 Honda Fit it was time to get rid of our 1998 Buick. It was between the 2010 Insight and the 2010 Prius. We went with the Prius because of the roomier rear seats, the supposed better gas mileage, and because my wife didn't like the auto stop feature on the Insight. Also we felt the Insight swaying a bit on the highway. We were just more impresses overall with the 2010 Prius.

After logging 4,000 miles on the Prius we have averaged 56mpg actual. The computer overestimates it so it shows 58.5 via the computer. The last 2 tanks the computer has shown 61mpg which is 58.5 actual. I really believe the Prius is a great car but lately I have been craving an Insight. I went and test drove one again last weekend and would really love for it to replace our Honda Fit. It was much more comfortable for me than the Fit, and let's face it, I love Hybrid technology. Plus now that the wife is used to driving a hybrid she would love the Insight to be our second car now too!

The point is they are both great cars in my opinion. Get one of each if you could! If that is not an option just research, compare, then follow your heart. If you do that there should be absolutely no regrets. I love both cars and really want to have one of each. I'm holding back because it doesn't look like it makes financial sense to trade in the Fit for the Insight but after my second test drive I really love the car now! It is comfortable, fun to drive, and I love the challenge of getting the most MPG's out of the hybrid system. Based on what I read here it looks like I should be able to get over 50mpg steadily with the Insight!
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The point is they are both great cars in my opinion. Get one of each if you could!
Smart. When you have trouble choosing between chocolate and vanilla, get the double-dip with one of each flavor! Hmmm,.. lemme think... Tesla Roadster or Fiskar Karma...
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