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Old 10-23-2009, 11:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I'm up to 52.7

I've gotten an average of 52.7 MPG for the entire life of my car, 1784 miles.


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Old 10-24-2009, 07:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Congratulations!!! I can average around 40 a tank (which is much better than my CR-V) which makes me extremely happy. With the hills around NE CT I don't forsee much more than 42 or 43 (when the weather gets warmer) Once again congratulations.....what's your secret
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Pretty good!

Congratulations.

Did you have these on?
  • a/c?
  • Econ assist?
  • the battery Screen?
  • "S" mode on shifter?

Our weather is getting a lot colder now, so everyone's mileage will likely be lower.
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Great... MID shows 47.6 (which equates to 45.7 in real life numbers)for me after ~2400 miles in the past month. A/C has been on in the afternoon, off in the morning. 75/25 highway/city. 72-75 MPH on the highway, econ on, never in S mode. I averaged 26.94 mpg over 18k miles in my Mazda 3 hatchback. HUGE difference!
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Congratulations!!! I can average around 40 a tank (which is much better than my CR-V) which makes me extremely happy. With the hills around NE CT I don't forsee much more than 42 or 43 (when the weather gets warmer) Once again congratulations.....what's your secret
No secret.
Just all the usual hypermiling things practiced religiously.
No AC.
Car is always in ECON mode.
Top speed 50 MPH, and I stay in the right-most lane and ignore cars behind me.
Keep windows closed for lower drag.
Accelerate like a snail.
Once I use gas to get up to speed I try to go as far as possible with my momentum.
When I see a red light far ahead I back off on gas so it is green when I get to it.

Discover the coasting rate of your car.
Get up to speed and put it in neutral.
The car will gradually loose speed.
My goal is to duplicate that rate when I have to slow down.
This avoids using regen braking, which can recover only 30% of the kinetic energy.
That means 70% is wasted.
I'd rather waste 0% and I try to approach this by going as far as possible once I get up to speed.

Every time I have to hit the brakes I consider it a little failure.

This is my third hybrid.
I had a 2004 HCH1 and a 2006 HCH2.

Oh and I live in Southern California so rarely need heat or AC and don't have to deal with hills often.

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Old 10-25-2009, 03:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Congratulations.

Did you have these on?
  • a/c?
  • Econ assist?
  • the battery Screen?
  • "S" mode on shifter?

Our weather is getting a lot colder now, so everyone's mileage will likely be lower.
AC: No
ECON mode: Yes
the battery Screen: What's that?
"S" mode on shifter? What's that?
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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...Just all the usual hypermiling things practiced religiously...
...Top speed 50 MPH, and I stay in the right-most lane and ignore cars behind me....
...Accelerate like a snail...
...Once I use gas to get up to speed I try to go as far as possible with my momentum....

...Get up to speed and put it in neutral...
Piano_Tuner, not that I would assume I can teach you how to hypermile, and by all means, your results are very good at 52mpg (not many car in the US can do that today...) but I think you can achieve better mpgs by keeping a constant speed. Acceleration does not need to be like a snail (my opinion... and depend what is considered "like a snail"...) and I'm not sure coasting in neutral is the best way (I could be wrong...)

With my commute route, my ideal speed for mpg is between 65 and 60mph. I try to remain in this range, bringing the car to 65mph and "accepting" a deceleration to 60, and I figured the best I could get, with this commute, if I don’t mess up with any mpg killing stuff, is a max of MID 62mpg with the I2. At 50mph max, as you describe for your commute, I'm quite convinced you can cross the MID 70mpg mark on a tank average, by keeping a constant speed. The I2 seems to be maxed out in mpg capabilities around 48mph. By keeping a 50-45mph range, it seems quite easy to coast very long distances with MID showing 90mpg. Depending how would be your total commute (many stop & go), I believe the average could cross the 70 mark.

My recommendation would be : once you get to speed, lift your foot until you find the "balance" where the mpgs are maxed out and the speed remain constant. The assist/charge to be neutral (no assist, no charge). At a constant speed, it seems to me you can either keep you foot in place to keep your speed constant, or lift it up a little and still keep your speed constant, but get a 10 to 15mpg more on the live mpg screen (the bars showing the mpg). I don't know why, since the I2 does not have lean burn, and this looks like a lean burn behavior (I1 drivers, please confirm...I've personally never seen the lean burn in action, just read about it).

In a recent post, jraynor was describing part of his driving style, using the roller-coaster style.
Cooler temps, less mileage
(hope you are ok if I refer to you J…). This is what I do also, though I think my average speed is just a tiny little higher than him. So far, we get about the same mpg him and me (if I refer to fuelly.com), second behind Greendriver, who I suspect has a commute using 50mph roads. J and I both live in northern country (Massachusetts, Michigan) and commute seems quite similar. Both of us were showing 56-58mpg per tank before the cold (MID 58-60). The winter weather will impact us more than it will do for you in California.

By all means, I’m not pretending to be the hypermiling expert, but this is what I learned with the I2. I hope it can give you some idea how to go beyond your 52mpg mark.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks.
I'm always open to suggestions.

I DO keep a constant speed, except when I can't.
I also let the speed drop slightly when going up hill and increase when going downhill.

Keep in mind this number is the average over the entire life of the car, 1784 miles.
If I started to get 100 MPG it would take quite a while for the lifetime average reading to go up much.
I no longer track individual tanks or trips.

The first week I had the car circumstances, like lending the car, resulted in an average of 35 MPG.
It has been going up ever since.

I'd say 70% of my miles are short trips in the city, not on the freeway.

Also, based on this being my third hybrid and going on my 5th year of hypermiling I'm positive MPG is worse at 60 MPH than 50 MPH.

I suspect the optimum speed for MPG is 45 MPH but even I don't have the balls to drive 45 on the Los Angeles freeways.

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Old 10-26-2009, 08:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Just think, you have another 1500 miles before the engine is really broken in.

That'll help get you higher even faster.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Seeing your report makes me very happy! I'll add that my MID lifetime at 9600 miles is 42.7mpg and that is with two different drivers with two very different driving styles (a 10+mph speeder vs a speed limit keeper). Congratulations and I am jealous!

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