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Old 12-31-2009, 11:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Automotive Disappointment of the Year

Another article on the Insight... ugh...

All Cars, All the Time: Automotive disappointment of the year: Honda Insight

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Old 12-31-2009, 12:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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More Me-Too "Journalism".
A report reporting reports.

How sad.

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Old 12-31-2009, 12:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Garbage!

Exactly! This is someone's "opinion" who is just regurgitating what others said.

Did they analyze or test the car themselves or do a blind comparison? No of course not.
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Old 12-31-2009, 06:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm not going to sweat someone rehashing other people's opinions on some blog. I've read all the articles cited in the link you posted already.

The Insight itself is a good car, I love mine, but as far as sales go I think "disappointment of the year" is not too far off base.
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The Insight itself is a good car, I love mine, but as far as sales go I think "disappointment of the year" is not too far off base.
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I noticed in there that they mentioned Honda settled on a mileage claim lawsuit regarding the HCH. What is there to sue over? Are you mad that you are blowing away the EPA numbers??

Perhaps we should set up a class action lawsuit over the I2 EPA mileage claims. I bet most of us are upset that we are blowing away the EPA estimates.
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yes the suit is about the discrepancy of the MPG computation and not the EPA ratings. it claims that the MID shows 50MPG but actual was just 47. i know this because out firm is doing a review of the case. it has been settled out of court
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yes the suit is about the discrepancy of the MPG computation and not the EPA ratings. it claims that the MID shows 50MPG but actual was just 47. i know this because out firm is doing a review of the case. it has been settled out of court
Wow that opens up a can of worms... Then we could sue over that since the I2 has the same problem. I've heard the new Prius is even worse than our I2's. All in all I think the only good outcome of a lawsuit like that is to get Honda to fix the problem. I mean no "real" harm was done to anybody as a result of the MID being off.
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Old 01-05-2010, 06:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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yes the suit is about the discrepancy of the MPG computation and not the EPA ratings. it claims that the MID shows 50MPG but actual was just 47. i know this because out firm is doing a review of the case. it has been settled out of court
I can certainly validate the accuracy of the MID discrepancy, from my own experience. However it strikes me as silly, stupid, and a whole lot greedy to sue over it.

More important, is Honda taking action to increase the accuracy of the mpg computation in the Insight?
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Default Civic Hybrid Suit is about EPA ratings not MID

If you look at the article referenced, the suit is about the EPA ratings being much higher than actual mileage not about the MID reading.

Honda Settles Civic Hybrid Mileage Suit

From the article:
"The suit's lead plaintiffs, John True and Gonzalo Delgado, brought the suit in 2007 after trying in vain to achieve the car's advertised mileage -- 51 miles per gallon on the highway and 49 in the city. Despite his best efforts over 6,000 miles of road, True averaged a mere 31 miles per gallon in mixed highway/city driving. The suit was brought as a class action on behalf of owners of 2003-2008 Civic Hybrids, totaling nearly 120,000"

For Model year 2007 the seven vehicles on fuelly are getting 35-47, or an average of 41.1 so 49-51 is an over estimation of 20-21%, its as if we were getting and average of 33-34 with the Insight rated at 40-43. The article says this is one of the reasons they revised the EPA estimates in 2008 to be more realistic. I am happier with my 45.5 MPG than I would be if I was told the Insight mileage was 54-55. I suspect the lawsuit was motivated by disappointment and a feeling of being ripped off than by greed.

My MID is about 4% optimistic, it seems from what I am hearing here that this is prevalent. Perhaps there is something in the manufacturing process that makes this happen. I suspect if it were 4% pessimistic on average, they would have fixed it. Causal users are likely to just report the MID readings when asked, and observers will see the MID and believe. Most proud owners are not going to tell their passengers - "Oh don't believe that, its 2 MPG over". Thus an optimistic reading is a source of good press and happy owners who do not measure their MPG at the pump. No way is Honda going to take the publicity hit and fix this as it is not a safety issue.
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