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Old 12-01-2011, 07:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Yokohama Avid Touring S 195 60 R 15 Review

I decided to change my Dunlops at just over 15,000 miles. Irregardless of the fact that I never rotated my tires, the mechanic was surprised at the amount of wear on the fronts. Anyway I got a great deal on a set of the Yokohama Avid Touring Tires in a 195 60. Four tires cost me $ 311.80 with free super saver shipping from Amazon. I got my tires in 4 days.

All that I can say is that switching over to these tires has made a MONUMENTAL improvement is quietness, comfort and handling. My Insight feels like a much bigger car now. I don't get blown all over the highway by trucks like I did before. The improvement on the highway has been nothing less than night and day.

It's going to be a week or so before I can accurately report the effects on fuel economy. However, so far, I've noticed only a slight(maybe 2-3%) decrease in MPG. Well worth it IMO.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a good replacement tire. I had a set of Yokos on my 135i and they were excellent treads. I will most likely follow your lead on replacing my stock tires on my Insight. Thanks for the info/ feed back.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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sounds good ... what rims did you put the 195/60/15's on - the stock steel units, the stock alloys, or aftermarkets?
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sounds good ... what rims did you put the 195/60/15's on - the stock steel units, the stock alloys, or aftermarkets?
I put them on the stock alloys. They look good. When I get a chance i'll post pics.

As far as fuel economy is concerned, so far, I'm only noticing about a 2% drop or 1-1.5 MPG. However I'm so happy with the improvement in handling, ride quality and quietness. With the Dunlops, tire noise was LOUD and I felt every bump. Now the ride is MUCH smoother and I can barely hear the tires. Night and day difference.
The only downside(if you call it that) is that I notice the road(wind) noise coming through the doors more than I used to. That's because the loud tire noise doesn't drowned it out anymore. I'm considering insulating my doors with Quickroof,( Cheap Dynamat Substitute) to cut down on the wind noise.
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Here are the pics I said I'd post. As you can see, the wider tires don't look funny on the stock rims. MPG drop so far has been between 1 to 1.5 MPG per tank. Although I suspect a percentage of that is attributed to the onset of the colder weather;which coincided with the installation of my tires.


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Old 12-18-2011, 12:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nice photos, firsthonda!
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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It's been warm the last few days and since I upped my tire pressure 2 psi; the MPG seems to have went back up to where it was with the Dunlops.

So it seems there is no downside to going with this tire/size combination.
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What PSI were you running..before and after?

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What PSI were you running..before and after?

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Old 02-03-2012, 01:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I just did a similar upgrade to Michelin Primacy MXM V4 (V-rated version) in the same size as you 195-60/15. My 2011 Base had just over 17K miles on the original Dublops and, while they looked fine and likely to last another 10K at least, I felt they were sub-par on wet and in cornering and emergency maneuvers.

The Michelins were $124 each delivered from Discount Tire Direct (similar price from TireRack on sale). And no, we do not need valve stems - the tire pressure sensors already have them, so don't order! There is a $70 rebate from Michelin, so the cost will be just over $100 per tire (before installation). I got the V-rated version, which was just a few bucks more than the H version (about $5 difference per tire). Plus $100 to install locally, so all said and done about $520.

There are cheaper alternatives, but I like to get tires with the highest available traction and temperature ratings on the sidewall and that do well in tests and user reviews I debated to also upgrade the rims to 17" and go for 205 sized tires (which would have further improved handling) but decided against that expense, since the rest of the car does not really do "justice" to such a package without additional mods (such as lowering and sway bars), and which I have not enough enthusiasm to do

Oh, and they balanced perfectly and ride smooth with no vibrations, which was a big concern for me. I've had problems with Continental and Sumitomo tires that would balance perfectly but would still vibrate at speed (on the same wheels/cars where a set of Michelin Pilot Exalto would run smooth). So, one of the reasons I went for the Michelins here too - I hate vibrations at speed and one aspect of the Dunlops was that they were extremely smooth on my Insight at speed and I did not want to lose that...

I put them on the stock steel rims a couple of days ago, and indeed I can confirm that they do not look too odd (I was afraid that due to the 5.5" narrow rim and the added 20mm width on the tire they would bulge, but they don't). The front tires now fill the wheel wells more towards the outside, which I don't particularly like, but not obnoxiously so. The point is that if one considers even wider tires on new wheels, they need to make sure they get the right offset wheels so that the wheel do not stick out too much. I measured roughly the space around the stock wheels/tires (was considering to upgrade the rims to 7" wide 17" diameter too) and there did not seem to be much extra space in several areas - one reason I did not go with wider tires/rims as rubbing would be very likely.

Handling is different - less wobble in turns, more secure. Straight line is not necessarily better though. I never had issues with tracking on the straights with the original tires, and if anything, with these wider tires I feel the Insight requires more corrections to keep a straight line when there are slight valleys from heavy traffic on the pavement. This is just a function of the width of the thread - a narrow tire just tracks better in a straight line when the road surface under the wheels is a little tilted. I've noticed that with my other cars as well. When the pavement is flat, the car tracks fine with no corrections needed (as it did just fine with the old tires too). The difference is when maneuvering at speed, where the car is a bit more planted with less wobble side to side.

Steering is still light (I was afraid it might become heavy and strained, especially for parking and slow speed maneuvers).

These tires are also more quiet on all surfaces. Fuel economy is hard to judge, but in a week or two I will report when I refuel again. Seems perhaps a minor drop of about 2mpg but the pressure on the new tires is 38psi (lower than before), where the old were 44 or so - have not gotten a chance to go top the new tires up to about 40 or 42... Probably there will not really be too much penalty.

Because these tires are Grand Touring (and I'm used to having ultra or high performance versions on my other cars, which are generally sportier) I did not see such a marked improvement as I would expect to get from a sportier set. And also because they are similar sidewall height as the stock tires, I would not really describe the improvement as "monumental". Yes, the car is more quiet, yes road imperfections do not transfer nearly as bad, yes it corners and stops better. All good things and clearly better than before. But the car is still riding on narrow 15" wheels on a tall and soft suspension, so one can't expect miracles by just changing the tires. An incremental improvement, yes...

The Insight still does not handle nearly as well as it could with say 16" or 17" and wider wheels, and perhaps an inch of suspension drop, but still by jsut changing the tires, the ride has improved noticeably in pretty much all respects.
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