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Old 12-18-2009, 07:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Looks good, what are you running for a sub?
This one right here
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Nice, I like JL Audio a lot. Had a pair of 12" in a Geo Tracker with Precision Power amp a while back and they pounded.

They are a little expensive (especially the W7) but I think they are worth it.

I wonder how much the car will rattle (since it has lightweight materials) when they hit.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Nice, I like JL Audio a lot. Had a pair of 12" in a Geo Tracker with Precision Power amp a while back and they pounded.

They are a little expensive (especially the W7) but I think they are worth it.

I wonder how much the car will rattle (since it has lightweight materials) when they hit.
Yeah, but it's not much more than a regular woofer. I can't see NOT buying one. I don't believe in "buying for today". It's not like the choice of buying a Hyundai Elantra or a Corvette. When it comes to buying a W7, for most people it may just be an extra paycheck or two of saving up the little extra money for the price difference. But once it's paid for, IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY.

I am guessing that since it's only an 8" and the box is so small, that it's not going to drop the deep bass that I am accustomed to. I've never have a sealed enclosure before.

But if you want to listen to rock music like Rush, Heart, Steely Dan, etc, then supposedly this woofer will sound really nice being in the enclosure that it is.

I could have easily threw my hands up and said, "All of this is too expensive" and just went with some Pioneer or Kenwood components. As you see, this is a very long process. I am patient because in a year or longer from now, all this money spent won't mean a thing. But if I bought all stuff I was unhappy with, I'd be wanting to upgrade to something better not long after installing it.

Why buy and own 3 to 10 mediocre systems because it's all you could afford at the time when all you have to do is save up a little bit longer and buy what you REALLY want from the start?

Now if all you listen to is talk radio, then there's no point in doing this. But if you are a true audiophile, then people will do what I have done. I am really picky about my sounds. I want all of the bass notes to sound just right.

And the thing is, this stuff was not all that expensive. What what somebody would spend on a couple of twelves, I bought this nice JL W7.

For what somebody may have bought for some middle-of-the-road speakers for the front, I spent on my Focal speakers.

The only thing I spent top dollar on was that McIntosh amp which was over $1,000. It took me 3 months to save up the money for it.

It would take a lot longer than 3 months to save up for a fancy Lexus or Mercedes, so my methods would not apply. But a car stereo is not all that expensive to put in. You just have to be patient and do it step by step. Buy only top of the line and keep that stuff for as many years as you can. Buy such nice equipment that it's worth pulling out and installing in your next car.

That's what I am doing now. This McIntosh amp has been in like 5 of my previous cars.

People are too quick to point fingers and say, "That's too expensive".

Then again, so is drinking alcohol and smoking. People will spend much more money on that and have nothing to show for it. Once that cigarette is gone, it's gone. My amp will be here forever or until I die. And if it blows up, I'll send it back and have it fixed.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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One thing I can agree with Fuel on. When it comes to audio you need to go big and good stuff. The preassemble boxes, speakers and amps at the stores are crap. I found that out the hardway. I am no way an expert or have the cash flow the other guys do, but managed to save and upgrade.

I first went tothe speakers that sounded good, the kenwood 180 watt speakers. Instead of a bazooka bass cannon, I wanted a small box. I got a class d amp, then saw how limited it was and exchanged it for an amp with more response and to amp all 4 speakers. I changed my mind after getting my 700 watt sony xpode and declided to use it as a bass amp. Found a small box at pepboys. It lasted 7 minutes before the speakers were toast, but I saw that is what I was lookiing for. I used speaker level inputs and a jump starter thing to power it.

I then looked for the highest capacity 8 inch subs to reuse the pepboys box. That lasted 2 weeks before the box center divider broke. So, used a web calculator to build a new box.

In the mean time I had wired it up to the cars battery and with the largest cap I could find 10 farad, the voltage dropped like a rock, so the second battery was added.

If I had to do it again Id go for a smaller battery like a u1 and put it off to the side in the recessed storage area next to the light. Id do what Fuel is doing, but keep the spare.
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Bas speakers are aimed at the floor mat covering it? I realize it's bass it's just loud, but have you considered vent slots on the carpeting or remove that and use the all seasons with vent slots over the bass speaker and amp?
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He has 1 speaker facing downwards. Bass is omni directional, it doesnt really matter the location. I just hope he has some dynomatt below it and secured so it doesnt rattle.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:48 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Bas speakers are aimed at the floor mat covering it? I realize it's bass it's just loud, but have you considered vent slots on the carpeting or remove that and use the all seasons with vent slots over the bass speaker and amp?
The subwoofer is facing down. Supposedly we're going to put some Dynamat down below it.

I made the comments I have from over 20 years experience in doing this. You have no idea how many thousands of dollars I have thrown away on JUNK all because I was too cheap in the beginning to buy the stuff that I have now.

I thought that everything was just a name and that it was overpriced. I wasted money on crap like equalizer-boosters and high wattage amps that had small fuses. So when you see stuff like "1500 watts" or "2000 watts" on these "Boss" amps and crap like that with 10 or 15A fuses, RUN AWAY!!

When I buy an amp, I have to see the specs on it. If the THD is anything over 0.05%, I won't spend the money on it. When I saw that this McIntosh was 0.005% THD, I had to have this thing.

Most of the amps you see now are 0.1%. That's very high. For a Class D amp running a subwoofer that's okay. But when you're powering your mid's and high's, you do not want it.

From now on I only buy very expensive amps. If I can't afford it at that time, I either keep saving up the money until I can or I buy it brand new or used on eBay. I no longer skimp on quality the way I did in the past.

All the money and time I wasted in the past. I am trying to save anyone I can from repeating all of the headaches I did.

Buy the best amp in the world that you can get your hands on and HOLD ONTO IT FOREVER!!

Don't buy what you can afford... BUY WHAT YOU WANT!

For example, if you have $300 in your pocket and the amp you want is $600, don't walk away saying that you can't afford it. Put the $300 away and keep saving up until you finally get the $600. Then buy the amp.

Do the same steps with the speakers, subwoofer and head unit.

It took me a very long time to buy my stuff, but now I have zero regrets.

Instead of paying the insane $439 at Crutchfield for this speaker, I got the SAME EXACT ONE brand spanking new in the box on eBay for only $265.

I achieved my goal by getting what I wanted. That's all I am trying to get people to learn.

For homes and expensive cars this method is difficult to do, but car stereo equipment is not expensive enough to be out of reach.

Time flies, so if you wait long enough, you'll have what you want and not just what you could afford for the money in your pocket.

And by the way, none of this is being charged on a credit card. I saved up cash for everything. Don't pay interest on stuff like this unless it's one of those 6-months or 12-months 0% interest credit cards and that you are 100% certain you can pay the card off within that time frame.

Look at the specs of the amp. If it says 2,000 watts, then 2,000 watts divided by 14.4 volts = 138 amperes. If the amplifier has a 15 to 25A fuse on it, then you know SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT here and you are being SCAMMED.

When you buy an amp, ignore the PEAK power. What you need is RMS (root means square).

The amp I have is 400 watts RMS clean power at 0.005% THD. That's about as clean as you're going to get in any car stereo amplifier.

I once saw a Nakamichi amp for $200 on eBay that had the same 0.005% THD distortion ratio. If you can't afford something like a new McIntosh, something like this would make an awesome amp to run mid's and high's.

Then maybe a JL 500/1 or 1000/1 to power a large subwoofer.

Zapco, US Amp, the old Soundstream Class A amps, Carver, A/D/S, PPI, Hiphonics and Zues are other good ones.

I cannot recommend Kenwood because of prior experience it had a high distortion rate. Same with Alpine. I would recommend the Kenwood or Alpine head units, though.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:54 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Just in case anyone hit eBay looking at the Nakamichi, it looks like the newer ones have high distortion. The one I found on eBay was an old-school amp.

All of the companies seem not to care and are only trying to make a quick buck nowadays. It's very hard to find any car stereo amp today that has 0.005% THD.

The new Nakamichi like this one here has .1%

I would not buy something like that unless it was only to power a subwoofer or a set of subwoofers.

NAKAMICHI PA-1500 MONO AMP 1200RMS WATT POWER AMPLIFIER - eBay (item 120508159764 end time Jan-17-10 17:50:51 PST)
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Read the specs on this one:

McIntosh MC440M 6-Channel Amplifier - eBay (item 330386447418 end time Dec-22-09 18:20:52 PST)

That's similar to mine and why I bought it. Mine just doesn't have those fancy meters, but it sounds the same.

Another good sounding amp as a McIntosh alternative:

Soundstream Human Reign Unleashed HRU.2 Amplifier - eBay (item 280432725105 end time Jan-01-10 12:20:09 PST)

This JL amp is also nice with 0.005%
NEW JL AUDIO 500/1 V2 MONO CAR AMPLIFIER AMP 500/1V2 - eBay (item 350278853111 end time Jan-12-10 13:07:08 PST)

I told my brother-in-law all the same things I am telling you people and he wised up and managed to save up the money to buy 2 McIntosh amps. And this came from a guy who barely earns $600-800/mo. It took him many months of savings, but he did it. I'm proud of him. Most people won't heed my advice and only buy what they can afford for that day. All I can say is that Buyer's Remorse SUCKS!!!!
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Old 12-19-2009, 11:00 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Finally got the sound system to play today.

Even with the 1.5 farad cap, the dome light still dims a wee bit. I'm not happy with that. My previous cars had ZERO dimming. The next step will be to buy a Kinetik battery and see if that will help.

The sound system sounds breathtakingly clear. You can see the Focal speaker being installed. The tweeters were real fun. The factory ones had to be removed and all of the plastic had to be cut away. The Focal tweeters are hot-glued permanently to the factory covers.

Minor stuff has to be done now. I'll try to get a picture of the head unit installed. We worked until late in the night and it was too dark to get any more pictures taken.
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