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Old 12-02-2006, 07:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Alternative or high performance catalytic converter?

Well guys and gals, It's time to replace my catalytic converter. Everyonce in a while the engine light comes on for awhile and goes back off in a week and the power is sluggish even though I have a 2 inch pipe going into a backward glass pack. The dealer coded it and told me it was the cat. So before my plunk down my $800, I would like to know if there are any other options out there that A:won't confuse the computer and B: won't violate air quality restrictions, here in North Carolina.

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Old 12-02-2006, 08:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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$800 would be a great deal I paid nearly $1200 and have seen others on here post that they paid a lot more.
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Still, If there's something better out there, I'd rather get that.
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Nothing better than the ‘deal’ you are getting. Shut up, pay the money and smile (fake the smile if you have to). With the miles you have, you’re ahead of the game.
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Old 12-03-2006, 12:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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OK so I take it that's mo to any higher formance versions. Oh well
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I think the others are just happy that you can get the replacement of the
OEM cats at such an good price. Since you have the glasspack (perhaps
the JackMPG mod), this is a performance question while still considering
the emissions standards. I have been reading these posts for a while now
and have not heard of anyone using non OEM cat(s). You would be the
first to try. [mod edit]

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Old 12-03-2006, 08:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Given the very low production numbers of the Insight its unlikely and aftermarket CAT company will offer replacement CATs. However, I believe that some will reman a core you send. Expect several days down time. And from my expereince don't expect such a CAT to last much longer than the warranty provided.

Yah, the cost is usually much lower, but that's because not as much of the good stuff is put in there (gold and palladium (another rare earth metal comperable in price to gold) etc). So the _actual_ cost per mile may not yield any savings. You'll have to do the math based on cost and decide for yourself.

A P0420 occurs when the secondary O2 sensor essentially "wakes-up" and begins to give readings similar to the primary sensor. This means that the CAT is no longer "scrubbing" the exhaust and a code is set. Yes, a restricted CAT may also code but as Dan pointed out its NOT the primary complaint. And its an unusual mode of failure in most makes and models.

You should verify that this was the actual failure on removal (visibly clogged) AND determine the cause. Commonly its a misfire condition causing a CAT overheat and a subsequent melt down. Else your replacement CAT _will_ suffer the same fate. $$$$ But anything causing incomplete combustion will also take its toll e.g. a bad _primary_ O2 sensor.

It's been quite a few years since I've done any quality reading on OBDII, their associated monitors and responses. It may be that when a P0420 is detected OBDII requires a reduction in power to help reduce emissions AND otherwise "protect" super heating CAT (they'll glow bright red) and a possible consequental FIRE

Laws governing what type of replacement is required vary from state to state and possibly locality (EPA non attainment zones). Any local repair shop should know or where to find out before beginning the job.

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Old 12-03-2006, 09:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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It does feel sluggish. Sometimes more than others. The plugs and filter are good. Also, I replaced the IMA modules myself and that helped a lot, but not all of it. The engine light stays off for weeks and may come back on for a day or so before going out again.
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Also, I replaced the IMA modules myself and that helped a lot, but not all of it.
Given that the IMA modules only govern the electric portion (IMA) of the Insight its still very blurry in my mind how such a failure internal to these controllers could have gained the improvement you describe.

But the bottom line is that it seems to have helped.
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There are high-flow low-restriction after-market cats for performance cars that need to pass emissions tests. They are just "bare" cats, no pipes and flangs before and after. Welding required. But I'm sure that no one has put one on an Insight before. So if you want to do it, you'll have to do the research and fabing yourself.

IMHO, Great MPG means less gas flow which means less air flow which means small exhaust pipes and cats are not restricting engine performance, especially during cruise. Any advantage will only be seen at full throttle and high rpms. Do you plan on regularly drag racing your Insight?
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