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Old 06-26-2007, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Are there more efficient headlights I can get for my Insight? I only drive long distances at night because I usually have my animals with me and I think it's too hot in the day, but it seems that I get slightly less mileage at night.

But maybe this is because of the temperature.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There are a few options with this as regards bulbs.

The actual Insight headlight/shape is fairly unique and you can't put an alternative unit in as far as I know.

The Oem bulb is a standard H4 Halogen 60/55/watt double filament type.

You can get higher rated Halogen bulbs in terms of power (watts) and light output (lumens), however replacing the normal bulb with a 100/80watt bulb means increased heat (possible damage to headlight unit and or wiring/switches) and more drain on the vehicle 12v power. Not recommended.

You can use a higher light output Halogen (Xenon) bulb with the same power consumption. I personally use Osram Silver Star +50% bulbs which use the same amount of power, but give a claimed 50% higher output as they burn brighter (probably shorter lived as well). These do work well and both my cars have these fitted, the uprated lights provide noticeably better illumination. probably about $10.00-$15:00 a pair.

You can fit aftermarket 35w H4 HID (high intensity discharge) bulbs if you really want to be daring. these give a massive increase in light output (claimed 200-300%) with the added benefit of approx 40% less power consumption. They do have some issues, they are very expensive $200-$300 and may not suit the Insight reflector pattern, possibly dazzling other road users and causing the vehicle to fail inspections. They may be unlawful as an aftermarket conversion in your area. They run at a high voltage and use a special ballast unit which should plug and play with the existing Insight wiring.

Take your pick.

Driving at night generally means air intake temp is cooler, this means slightly less effcient combustion and lower mpg. The total extra nightime electrical load is probably about 200W more than the daytime base vehicle load. This isn't much but may make a very small impact on mpg. Aircon is probably off or less active so that should improve mpg quite a bit. Pump those Oem tyres up hard and drive at <55mph for max mpg.

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Old 06-26-2007, 10:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well I NEVER use the air conditioning, but thanks for the help. Since you say the lights have such a small impact on the MPG, I won't worry about it. Thanks.
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Part of the impact of lights on MPG might be related to the IMA charging the battery more aggressively when the lights (or another load) are on. So it's not necessarily just the energy lost in the light, but also that you might end the trip with a fuller battery (plus charging losses).
Also, while this forced charging is going on, it's usually harder to stay in lean-burn, which magnifies the mpg impact.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I use silverstar headlights part number 9003ST. I recommend them since they are whiter and brighter then the standard OEM bulbs are are brighter at night. Same watts as the OEM as retepsnikrep said, just more clear light. Silverstar just came out with the Ultra's as well, which are suppose to be even more brighter with the same output. They are street legal as well, but the only downfall would be a shorter lifespan.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I went to HID on the first day I bought my insight. I had to carefully adjust the angle of the headlight fixture to prevent the lights from dazzleing other drivers.

It works very well, and I have a hard time driving cars with incan headlights after years of HID spoiling. Flood and throw are increased by a large degree, along with drawing a third less power.

The reason for your economy drop from night driving is more likely due to IAT than increased electrical load.

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Do you have any pictures of your HID conversion?
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I will go take a few right now for you...

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