Water burning -Does it work w/o damage?

[dfiore]

I know we have aluminum engines and I would certainly test it on a chainsaw or an old lawnmower first, but I've been reading these site about putting stainless steel light socket plates in a jar of water, hooking that up to the battery, somehow, and running a tube from the water to the intake manifold to add hydrogen gas and supposedly augment the normal power.

That's probably not quite accurate but I'm sure some of you have read about this. I would love to hear some thoughts, experimental results, and for God's sake if it actually works, let's pass the info around for free!

[Dougie]

If it's such a great idea, why didn't Honda put it in there in the first place???

[dfiore]

Not sure. This is what I am trying to find out.

[IamIan]

The hydrogen is a way to get a normal ICE to work in Lean Burn.

The Insight already does lean burn and does it better than the conversion losses required for the electrolysis.

that is all it is... northing more.

no additional help to the insight

[dfiore]

What if it were all the Insight had to burn? Would it work? It IS an aluminum engine...

[james]

Conservation of energy. It takes more energy (lots more) to get the hydrogen out of water than you get back by burning it.

[IamIan]

Originally Posted by dfiore

What if it were all the Insight had to burn? Would it work? It IS an aluminum engine...

Even Compressed the energy per unit volume of Hydrogen is less than 1/10 that of gasoline.

Your 10 Gallon Tank of Hydrogen might take a Insight ~60 Miles.

Metal Hydride Hydrogen storage is better per unit volume but allot heavier.

And you still have to get the Hydrogen from somewhere.

But if you want to do it...

There are books and videos about it :

http://knowledgepublications.com/hydrog ... ot_com.htm

Basically any ICE can be converted to run on Hydrogen.

[IamIan]

Originally Posted by james

Conservation of energy. It takes more energy (lots more) to get the hydrogen out of water than you get back by burning it.

True ... generator is maybe 90% Efficient to get th electricity.... most electrolysis operations are about 40% efficient ... the best are about 80%... and the ICE only converts between 15% and 40% of that energy back to mechanical work.

The only benefit is the high flame speed of hydrogen which can let a ICE run leaner than it would normally...

But as I said ... The Insight does a better method of getting lean burn than the electrolysis and hydrogen method.... The benefits of lean burn the Insight gets without having to have the losses of the electrolysis conversion... it just required Honda to build the that feature into the car...

[boogetyboogety]

Do they no longer teach physics in school?

To take Hydrogen... one of the most reactive elements in the universe (meaning, it readily bonds with other elements) and separate it from whatever other element it has bonded to... takes a LOT of energy, energy which must come from somewhere. That's why H is considered storage (it has a lot of energy potential) as opposed to a source of energy.

I bet james took physics in school...

Bottom line: Any person who claims to have available any device that claims to increase mileage by adding any amount of H to your ICE is only trying to separate you from your money as quickly and as efficiently as possible. And they are terribly, terribly ignorant of the laws of physics, and they rely on their buyers being similarly uninformed...

[james]

"I bet james took physics in school..."

Actually my BS is in math & physics, though I do computers these days.

"And they are terribly, terribly ignorant of the laws of physics..."

You're assuming they're honest