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Old 11-09-2008, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Can anyone turn my F250 into a hybrid?

I know this runs the risk of being deleted because I'm not writing about an Insight, but I thought I'd ask. I love my Insight, but I have an F-250 Super Duty for pulling the camper and my wife takes it to work. With all the geniouses on here I thought I'd ask: Does anyone here have the technical know-how and potential willingness to tell me how much it would cost to make my F-250 and EV with a flick of a switch for in-town driving and normal for pulling? It is a 4X4, as I am sure that makes a difference, and I live in North Carolina.

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Old 11-09-2008, 04:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It will cost less to have the wife commute with a different vehicle and park the beast for those dozen or so times a year you actually use it.

The Cost will depend on what exactly you want... how far , how fast , top speed? etc...etc... there is no set single price for all conditions.

It can be as low as ~$5,000 or as high as ~$100,000 it just depends on the specifics of what you want.

But... I am not offering to do it for you... there are plenty of businesses already out there that do this... if you are interested do some research and find out who you like and what compromises you are willing to make for what results.
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Well that sucks, but thanks for the info.
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Then there is the e-wheel:
http://www.99mpg.com/Projectcars/ewheelforanyvehicl/
http://www.99mpg.com/Projectcars/mikesinsight/
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Well that sucks, but thanks for the info.
Do you have more specific information to narrow the details?

I don't mind discussing options... I am just not going to build it for you.
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I was hoping there was something out there that could leave all the regular mechanics intact so I can manually go back and forth between EV and regular mode. I think a range of 50-100 miles would be enough for what we need. It is a 4x4 with locking front hubs so I figure the switch would be somewhere along the final drive of the rear. Maybe there's something to connect to the drive shaft and then put the transmission into nuetral. The main thing I need to avoid is lessening the pulling power in normal mode. I have a 12,000Lb 5th wheel I pull, occasionally. The other option like was mentioned earlier would be to find a cheap used EV and park the truck.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You are absolutely right, and IamIan is right on the money (no pun intended), in that it would be much more cost-effective for you to get another vehicle, than to adapt your big Ford truck to some hybrid mongrelization (and consider that anything you would do to it affecting the drivetrain, even if successful, would effectively reduce it's trade-in or resale value to near-zero).

Our 13 mpg (on a good day) Big Ass Van, a Dodge conversion that seats 8, only gets pulled out now to drive a group of people or carry bulky cargo, and we use our much more fuel efficient vehicles for everyday commuting. It would bring nothing as a trade in today's market, but it has low miles, is still quite reliable, it's very comfortable for cruising with a bunch of people and luggage, and every once in a while, I do need seating room for more than another couple. I don't want to/can't get rid of it, it answers a need I have sporadically, and we have other transportation options, so it's hooked to a battery tender and patiently waits for our call.
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I guess it depends on how often you need the additional large vehicle abilities ... such as towing heavy loads or lots of passengers... What is the cost of yearly ownership?... insurance , maintenance , etc... compared to what would it cost you to just rent a large vehicle for those few times you need one? ... It ends up depending on how often you need it... I know I only rent U-Hual type truck when I move because it isn't cost effective to own them for the few times I would use them... but there is a breaking point where it does become more cost effective to own the vehicle if you use it often enough.... but it has to be fairly often... it only cost ~$60 a day to rent a large vehicle like a F150 truck , or Large SUV , etc... how much does is the yearly cost of owner ship? ... if you use it once a month .. or ~12 times per year than it is only cost effective if owning the large vehicle costs you less than ~$800 a year.... if you use it once a week , I expect it is cheaper to own then rent... renting would cost you ~$3,200 a year if you used it once a week...

So it just boils down to your individual needs and how often you need that larger vehicle.... people have different needs... nothing wrong with that.

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You actually can keep the mechanicals and add a EV ... but it is questionable if it is the best option.

A basic ~35 mile range already converted EV you could buy now is ~$5,000

Now I see some options for the HEV conversion of the truck( I am sure there are others ):

#1> change 2 or 4 of the wheels to Electric motor wheels... there are companies that will sell these to you today along with motor controllers, batteries, battery chargers... etc... off hand I would expect this option to cost the most but be the most elegant /easiest to install.

#2> add a electric motor and a second clutch ... it spins with the ICE when you drive normal and acts like the IMA of the Insight does acting as a alternator / starter / regen braking / electric turbo... then the clutch dis-connects the ICE and the Electric motor alone drives into the transmission to move the car.... still need batteries , controllers , chargers , etc... this will be harder to design into the existing place and limits of the engine bay ... but if engineering time and skill is free... it might be cheaper.

#3> replace the transmission with a power split device like the Prius Synergy drive... this can split the power as you wish between the Electric motor and the ICE.... I doubt if the unit from a Prius could handle the torque you would be asking from it... so you would require a custom made unit.

#4> add a 5th wheel like Mike has that lowers for EV mode and Raises for non EV mode... you will need something allot bigger and more powerful thus more expensive than what mike has on his much smaller Insight.

#5> skip the requirement to keep the mechanicals... use a Electric motor to give all the torque you want... and use a motor generator as a range extension in order to do the longer ranges... for about ~$20,000 you can get the EV conversion for a Heavy Vehicle... you'll have about ~35 mile EV range and then you need a range extending generator to be added to go further... or jump up into the extreme cost for advance Lithium batteries to get longer EV ranges.
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Sounds good. I have decided to start looking at the EV classifieds, although it seems most of them don't go over 25-30 miles on a charge. I suspect I could do the new Honda idea and hook up a small gas generator to the batteries. Thanks for all the responses.
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Sounds good. I have decided to start looking at the EV classifieds, although it seems most of them don't go over 25-30 miles on a charge. I suspect I could do the new Honda idea and hook up a small gas generator to the batteries. Thanks for all the responses.
you are correct about the ~30 mile range... it is Lead Acid thing... weight vs range vs cost... it is a 3 way battle... and you have to pick sides / priorities of the 3 ... you can always put more batteries in it... but you do eventually run out of room and weight for the batteries... then you can only do better by buying better batteries like NiMH instead of Lead Acid or Li instead of NiMH.... ~200 Miles is about the limit right now with Li batteries per charge ... but only if a $100,000 price is no problem.

look around and see if there is a local EV group in your area... if there is ... they will be good sources of information about parts , methods , and examples for you to look at in person... you might even find a buddy who might be willing to give you a hand / labor for the price of a dinner and some frost beverages.

How far is your commute?
How far is your Wife's Commute?

Also don't rule out your employers ... although I do not have a EV myself ... and no one at my work does either... they have a policy of EV Charging setup and have 4 outlets already installed two at 110V 20A , one at 220V 40A , and one at 440V 40A... even 110V and 10Amp over a 8 hour work day will recharge ~8kWhs of battery power.... which should be just about ~30 miles of range for most EVs.... maybe as much as ~60 Miles for the more advanced EVs.
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