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Old 12-06-2008, 06:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Neither will "help" in your location very much. But as cheap as they are any MPG improvement in winter is worth the effort

Both help limit the cold weather MPG losses.

See:

1-6x17" cardboard piece & +10 MPG! Yup no lie
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for one radiator block discussion.

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Old 12-18-2008, 11:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Chris et al,

I made a cardboard radiator block the other day, but I had to cut it shorter than your described measurement of 24"s, because a block that size would cover the fan also. I was worried that when wet, and under the force of air pressure it would bend backward and block the fan blade from spinning.

Is your corrugated plastic block covering the fan?
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Huh

17" is the width. And it goes _between_ the condenser and the radiator. If you don't nave A/C then you'll need a different approach, but the block _still_ needs to go in front.
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Old 12-22-2008, 09:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The OP has a link to these measurements which is what I was questioning.
I ended up cutting mine to about 17".
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I didn't copy anyones measurements, but trial fitted and cut my own. I use it in 45 degree temps and below, and I still never go above the 202 to 204 temp range on my scangauge. When sitting and idling, the temp actually drops lower. This is the same temp range I run in 95 degree weather (summertime) w/o the block. I did not use corrogated cardboard, but a thick, somewhat flexible piece of plastic. It will never distort where it would interfere with the fan.

I modified my heat shield 2 nights ago by cutting a 2" round hole through the left side of it, fitting a fabricated 2" round tubing to it (about 4 or 5" long, pop-riveted x and connecting up my 2" heat riser tubing to it with a band clamp (hot air intake tubing, that goes to the airbox.) I took some pics of the finished product before I installed it, and afterwards also. I'll post them here tomorrow. This should give me the most hot air available from the cat. I haven't been able to test it out yet, as we've been buried in snow up here in Buffalo, and I refuse to drive it in the snow and salt. (It has never seen a winter or salt before, and I'm not going to start now!) I can tell you it needed more hot air than it had with the inlet of the tubing just sitting by the exhaust manifold. My last test (in 20 degree temps on dry roads,) had air intake temps at about 70-75 degrees. Ideally, I like 100-115 degrees for what I find to be the ultimate for staying in the lean burn mode. Plus, during the same tests, with the heater on, the coolant temp would drop to 175 or so during stop and go city driving. I want to keep the coolant temp steady at 200-204. I'll post the results with the new hot air mod when the streets are clear and dry!
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Is your plastic block covering your small fan on the passenger side?

I was afraid that the wind force could have pushed it into the fan. (I think it's a definate possibility if made of cardboard and it gets soaked. Then the fan could be jammed.) So I went with the 17" radiator block temporarily made of cardboard.

I also modified my heat shield for the hot air intake: I cut a two inch hole with a grinder near the top. It actually overlaps the existing top o2 sensor cutout, making the cutout into a figure "8". Then I took a 2" OD exhaust pipe adapter and flared out one end by cutting vertical slits in them and removing some of the excess. I then stuck it under the heat shield with the intact 2" OD end coming up through the newly made hole. It stays in place securely with the heat shield pressing down on it. The hot air "Mighty tube" can easily clamp onto the exposed portion. I also routed it behind the engine and in front of the battery for a perfect fit. (36" inch tubing) The heatshield was super easy to remove with only four easily accessible bolts.

Of course I failed to take my camera to the shop, so I will be taking some pics to post later.
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Old 12-23-2008, 07:58 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Here's some pics of the modded heat shield with 2" diameter pipe. 8 rivets; solid as a rock! Could look a bit prettier, but I actually made the pipe out of flat stock (no 2" round in stock!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... /heat6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... otmod1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v457/ ... otmod2.jpg

In answer to your question about my radiator block plate, it does go all the way accross. I did this intentionally, so it cannot slide from side to side at all. I didn't want it to slide to the right during a turn and uncover part of the radiator (self-defeating!) The fan on the driver's side pulls air through part of the a/c condensor and all of the radiator. The smaller fan on the passenger side only pulls air through the other part of the a/c condensor. It will not go on unless the a/c is on. In the event I accidentally turned on the a/c and the fan goes on, the plastic I used is thick enough it will not "bend" or get sucked into the fan. I'd stay away from just plain cardboard though! On the cheap, someone suggested a corrogated plastic that signs are made out of. Plenty sturdy. Just be careful not to bend it, as the crease stays, and will then always flex on the crease!
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:46 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think that using the heat shield as a warm air collector with the tube going directly into the heat shield is the best approach like what you have done. I did something like that awhile back in the automatice warm intake mod...

Here is a quick picture of the heat shield with the tubing going directly inside

Here is the whole post.
(The heat shild mod was added as an update in the Dec 2004 post to the thread.)

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