Hi, I just passed 160000 km in my 2000 Insight. Now I changed the original Bridgstone tires to Michelin Energy Saver and the fuel raised from 3,3 liters/100 km to 4,0. I tought the new Michelins would be better. Fact is that my wintertires runs better (Hakkapeliita Q).
Is it possible to find original Bridgestone tires?
Hi, I just passed 160000 km in my 2000 Insight. Now I changed the original Bridgstone tires to Michelin Energy Saver and the fuel raised from 3,3 liters/100 km to 4,0. I tought the new Michelins would be better. Fact is that my wintertires runs better (Hakkapeliita Q).
Are those the European or North American Michelin Energy Savers? Apparently the European version is a very different tire from the North American version and is hopefully more energy efficient.
My first impression of the Michelin Energy savers is that I may be returning them. The tire dealer said they were All season, they have tread wear rating 400 and Traction/temperature A/A.
I made a 300+ mile trip yesterday and got the worst mileage I've had in the car. Combined with the lower winter mpg to date I saw the first ever drop in the car's lmpg from 58.5 to 58.2 and there's 97,000 miles on the car! I only managed 45 mpg on the return leg, 10 mpg worse than I would have expected. If I could get it in lean burn it took a TPS of 45 or so to hold it to speed. Tire shop says to keep track of a tanks mileage(which won't be long at that rate) and I believe there is a 90 day satisfaction deal.
Best I can say about them at this point is they are a much nicer ride, not nearly as harsh as the Bridgestone Potenza at the same pressure. Of course that softer ride may be why you pay a penalty in mpg.
edit: Well, I got burned. Either the dealer lied or didn't know the difference and I was sold the #22135 Summer touring Energy saver, not the AS. They're going back on more counts than one.
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My first impression of the Michelin Energy savers is that I may be returning them. The tire dealer said they were All season, they have tread wear rating 400 and Traction/temperature A/A.
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Originally Posted by satchel
edit: Well, I got burned. Either the dealer lied or didn't know the difference and I was sold the #22135 Summer touring Energy saver, not the AS.
That's too bad. These Energy Savers on the U.S. Michelin Website look identical to those on Michelin's European Websites, but I am unable to find their model number on the European Websites, so I can't be 100% certain that they're identical.
I was also unable to find any all-season Energy Saver in either Europe or the U.S.; the only model was a summer touring tire. That's fine for me because I don't plan to drive my Insight in Sweden from 1 December through 31 March when snow tires, not all-season tires, are required.
However, I do not want to suffer a significant gas mileage loss when replacing my original Bridgestone Potenzas which will be 10 years old next month and are beginning to show fine decomposition cracks on the sidewalls. I cannot buy OEM Bridgestone Potenzas in Sweden, so I need a good replacement. The Michelin Energy Saver is my only hope at this time. Hopefully, in warmer weather and at ~50 psi, the gas mileage will be closer to that of the OEM Potenzas.
I encourage anyone using the current Michelin Energy Saver (not a different tire with a similar name which has been sold in the U.S. previously) to report their experience.
The larger sizes are AS. This one is not. I can get the Bridgestones on my doorstep for $100 less than they charged me for these and he was wanting to charge more for the Bridgestones. Hope this doesn't get ugly because I asked him point blank if they were AS.
I cannot buy OEM Bridgestone Potenzas in Sweden, so I need a good replacement. The Michelin Energy Saver is my only hope at this time.
I was about to decide in favor for them until my friend told me that Fulda EcoControl are as good as them which tire tests in Europe confirmed. Michelins have been the worst tires I drove in the wet but they lasted very, very long I see an analogy to this joke (taken from a Woody Allen movie):
Two ladies in the retirement home discuss the quality of the meals. The one said: the meals are really aweful. The other one added: Yes, that's true and the portions are much too small.
I just put on a set of Michelin Energy Savers and really love them. Can't comment on the mileage issue just yet, but they are a incredibly smooth ride. Only one of the tires took more than .25 oz of balancing weights. Hardly ever rains in Vegas so no comment on wet handling for now, but they are an awesome dry tire.
I just put on a set of Michelin Energy Savers and really love them. Can't comment on the mileage issue just yet, but they are a incredibly smooth ride.
Please report any difference in fuel economy compared with your former tires (hopefully, the OEM Bridgestones).
Michelin seems to be making progress in increasing traction while reducing roll resistance, but I haven't seen any information about whether the Energy Saver tire is also a lightweight tire. Apparently, the low weight of the OEM tire was one feature that accounted for its good fuel economy.
I just put on a set of Michelin Energy Savers and really love them. Can't comment on the mileage issue just yet, but they are a incredibly smooth ride. Only one of the tires took more than .25 oz of balancing weights. Hardly ever rains in Vegas so no comment on wet handling for now, but they are an awesome dry tire.
You'd best hope you never run into snow. I can vouch they are indeed a Summer touring tire. They were scary on snow.
By my rough calculations if they get 10% worse gas mileage and lasted twice as long as the Potenzas it would come out a wash. I will be curious to see how long they last.
They are a smooth ride but even at 60# I had trouble getting into and holding lean burn and the gas mileage was atrocious. Back on the Bridgestones I got 71.4mpg over 235.5miles on my trip home today in 30 degree weather. That's with the new rubber penalty!
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