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Old 12-11-2012, 03:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Front Strut Disassembly
Now for the fun stuff. Be careful, as the springs have enough tenshion to send things flying pretty hard.

1. Compress the springs
Get the front strut into a spring compressor. Some shops have hydraulic ones stuck to the side of their lifts. Sears sells little ones that hook onto the springs. Follow the instructions on whatever you've got to compress the springs until they're loose between the upper and lower perches.

Here's what my spring compressors at home look like. Shops have MUCH nicer compressors, and it might be worth visiting your local shop just to have them compress the spring and remove the top nut.


2. Remove the strut top nut
The strut is held together by a 17mm bolt on top. The piston should NOT be allowed to turn while you loosen the strut top not. Some shocks will come apart if the piston is rotated. Additionally, air guns should not be used as they can damage the shock.

We used an air gun anyway, but the correct procedure is to use a 17mm wrench on the nut, with a Torx (T45?) bit in the middle to keep the piston from rotating. Get the nut all the way off. Note: If your spring is not compressed, you will send stuff FLYING. Seriously. In high school, we used to have someone stand on the strut and we would loosen the strut top nut until it shot off across the parking lot - very dangerous, especially if fires at your face or at your ex-friend's car with its new, hither-to-now flawless custom paint.



3. Take apart the strut
There are quite a few parts here.


Keep:
The top nut - #20
The top nut washer (cup-shaped) - #17
The top hat (eith the 3 studs) - #16 (I have no idea what #7 is - my car doesn't have that)
The big metal washer - #15
The bump stop - #12
The whole strut/shock assembly (duh) - #5/6

Discard (save in a box somewhere):
The upper spring perch - #10
The plastic bearing - #13
The metal cap thing - #14
The upper spring cushion - #2
The spring - #1
The dust boot - my #11, #9, and #8 all came out together in one piece

4. Remove the shock cover
The top of the shock is not a gland nut - it's only a dust cap. There's no part # for this, so don't mess it up or lose it. Use a screwdriver or chisel and hammer to remove the top from the shock. It has to be removed otherwise you can't fit coilover tubes. Make sure to go evenly all the way around. You don't want to end up digging into the strut piston or you'll destroy it.

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Old 12-11-2012, 03:53 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Front Strut Re-assembly

1. Install the lower spring perches
Pull the front coilovers from the box. The fronts have the D ring on the bottom, a metal upper perch (instead of rubber), and shorter springs. The two metal spacers in the ziplock bag also belong with the front.

Slide the D-rings onto the struts. They should sit right on the welds above the steering arm, providing a flat space for the tubes to rest on.

Set the perch heights. Unlike the rear, the highest position in front is definitely lower than stock, so I'm probably only going to drop to the midway point. Remember not to overtighten, and maybe add some anti-seize.

Wrap the shocks with electrical tape. The idea is to make the red tubes stay in place so that you can adjust the gold collars without the whole thing rotating.. Sorry I don't have any pictures of this. Just don't cover the area that the stock dust cover goes over. I think I only made 3-5 wrappings, then you can hammer the tubes/perches down onto the strut. Chris at GC said he might start including o-rings in the kits, which will eat up the play between the tubes and the struts, but he actually did the tape instead of the o-rings for me.

After the perches are installed, you can hammer the dust covers back onto the struts (they fit between the struts and the coilover tubes)



2. Shorten the bump stops
You'll need to cut the bump stops in half, more or less. There's a line on the second nub of the bump stop - I used a hacksaw to cut above the line and discarted everything below my cut. We'll have to see if that's enough travel or not. I figure you want to hit the bump stop before you scrape the fender liner, and this will change depending on how low you set the perches.

Forgot to take a picture of the bumpstops by themselves. Here's the best I have:


3. Re-assemble the parts
a) Slide the bump stop onto the shock piston.
b) Set the spring onto the lower perch.
c1) Cut the zip tie off the new upper spring perch. Don't lose any parts!
c2) Grease both sides of the needle bearing with multi-purpose grease. Don't get any dirt in there.
c3) Set the spring perch and the needle bearing (which should be sandwiched between two washers) onto the top of the spring.
d) Take a spacer from the ziploc bag and put it on top of the shock piston.
e) Take the large washer (#15 from earlier) and put that over the spacer.

f) Put the top hat (#16) on.

g) Put the top nut washer (#17) on. Face it up like a bowl for softer (stock) bushing movement, or flip it over so it cups the rubber bushing to make it stiffer (more vibrations/etc).
h) Reinstall the top nut. Use your 17mm wrench and torx bit. Torque: 33 ft lbs.

The reason we keep the top nut washer (#17) is that we want a little bit of pre-tension on the rubber bushing.

Front Strut Installation

1. Mount the strut to the chassis
Follow the same precautions as earlier with the lines and axles. When you get the top lined up, thread the 3 upper nuts (14mm) into place. Torque: 40 ft lbs.

2. Bolt the strut to the hub
It seemed easier to install the bolts pointing forwards, with the nuts at the front of the car. However, it's probably better to do it the opposite way to make it easier to tighten down the nuts instead of turning the bolts. I don't remember the stock orientation. 19mm. Torque: 72 ft lbs.

3. Connect the strut to the steering tie rod
Slide the tie rod end back into the strut arm, and tighten the nut back down. 14mm. Torque: 32 ft lbs. Don't forget to install new cotter pins!

4. Hook up the sway bar end link
Install the end link back onto the strut. 12mm? [b][color=blue]Torque: 22 ft lbs.

5. Install the brake line and ABS wire brackets
Reattach the brake hose bracket, 12mm, 15 ft lbs. Reattach the ABS wire bracket, 10mm, 7.2 ft lbs.

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
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very nice install guide. Any picture of the car how it sits now? By how much do these coil-overs lower the car? Do you have them near the top setting or the bottom.
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Nice write up. Post pics of the car riding low!!
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This is really exciting stuff. If we could just get a good pair of struts to keep everything under control, we could make for a very fun little car.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:30 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Thumbs up excellent!

Fantastic write up on the install procedure, I was the prototype so I got lucky and GC installed everything for me. I did take it apart on my own but this is not the first GC system I have ever installed.

As for me, I just lowered mine half an inch all around and even though the ride is much firmer, I love it.

A word of advice is to swap out your rear OEM shocks with the Monroe ones for now and your ride will vastly improve.
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...A word of advice is to swap out your rear OEM shocks with the Monroe ones for now and your ride will vastly improve.
fyi, I didn't find the Monroes to be any upgrade from stock, even from my old, used stockers... There's a set of Monroes that I think are almost the same, maybe a tad shorter, but they're heavy duty and made for cabs. I saw them in a long parts list somewhere. I'll try to find those...
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Definitely need new shocks. Might have GC do something custom for me - sounds like they build custom shocks all the time. I guess the challenge is finding inserts that work with the super short travel that our cars need.

I would post pictures, but I didn't take any because my ride height looks completely stock. I'll post after I shoot some more.
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Definitely need new shocks. Might have GC do something custom for me - sounds like they build custom shocks all the time. I guess the challenge is finding inserts that work with the super short travel that our cars need.

I would post pictures, but I didn't take any because my ride height looks completely stock. I'll post after I shoot some more.
Nice work! Do you plan on lowering it?
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:35 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Considering it feels pretty stock right now, I'm going to lower the front perches 1/2 or 3/4 of the way down. Rear will be all the way down.
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