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Old 01-09-2013, 04:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Can gen 2 Insight battery CELLS be used to refurb Gen1?

Hello world!!! My first post!

Take a look on Ebay at cheap whole battery TUB assembly...

Does the Gen2 use the same D cells as Gen1 ???
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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...sorry... this noob did not succeed in posting the link...



http://http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-11...24cd9d&vxp=mtr
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Jeff,

Linkee no workee : )

I think this might be the link you were referencing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Insigh...7fe7a5&vxp=mtr



Also, this is one thread about disconnecting the BCM to drive gas-only:
Instruction steps on how to bypass and run on gas only

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Old 01-09-2013, 11:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the Gen2 Insight sticks are different. Cannot be used in a gen1 insight pack.

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Ok , thanks guys!
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Does the Gen2 use the same D cells as Gen1 ???
to answer this specific question, yes the gen2 does use nimh D sized cells, but they are welded together differently.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I was told once the chemical make up is different, likewise for the gen 2 and later civic, so really only the first gen insight and first gen hch are compatible with each other.


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No, they aren't direct plugins, but with creativity other NiMH cells can be used. The newer Insight also uses a smaller battery, so it would take multiple battery packs to bring the cell count up to the minimum 120 (144 volt rating). I run a cell depth of 125 cells in my setup for a voltage rating of 150 volts.

So theoretically if someone got a hold of two second gen Insight packs they could be converted or hacked into a gen 1 Insight. But depending on cost and the cell layout it may or may not be worth it.
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I was told once the chemical make up is different, likewise for the gen 2 and later civic, so really only the first gen insight and first gen hch are compatible with each other.


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They are still NiMH cells rated at 5.75 AH, looks like they might have lowered capacity and raised the operational current. Think of it this way, it is a lower voltage battery that is still expected to output 15KW to the IMA motor. It has to be able to supply more current than what our gen 1's call for. No reason they wouldn't work, but the battery case would eitehr have to be heavily hacked or a new one designed.
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We have 84 cells per a pack with buddy pairs of 2 sticks together or 14 sticks total. I thought we were 6.5 amps a stick as the new chemistry allowed a bit higher power density?

Now the newer Crz and HCH have gone lifepo4.


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