Turbo & Exhaust Mod Two

Jackmpg · 07-02-2005, 12:54 PM

To Whom It May Concern: Turbo Mod Resurrection,

I’m sure some of you have been wondering why our Turbo Mod Buy has been near inactive. It’s because Turbo Mod One has died, may she rest in peace. Turbo One passed away yesterday, Friday, July 1st, at 8:10pm EST. Turbo One had been pining away over the course of the last four months, waiting... waiting... waiting with growing dread at the hands of her developer to provide us with the completed kit to replicate for you. We had been searching in earnest to locate another developer to continue with the effort and save her, which we did, but alas, too late… I would share Turbo One’s last words with you:
“Jack, I remember how much a genius the developer was. Unfortunately he has had no experience or training in business administration, especially in time management. But much more important, he lacks maturity, self discipline and personal responsibility. We must leave him now, the time for me is past. You must go on with Baby to do what you are bound to do. The developer you have found should have the qualities the last one lacked. I know you will remember me and our adventure with fondness all your days, my spirit shall be with you always.” I counted the moments as she passed…

The letter to the developer in question:
Contacted Ryan this week to see about getting pricing on whatever has been finished with the kit. I need to get on with the turbo part of my life. If you could have Ryan put what has been done and some other items, in a box to ship today, get pricing and call me for the money, we can finish up.
What to ship if available:
Box of flanges you had made up.
G-9 and G-13 parts left over from modified turbo I have, any related manifold parts of same, including pipe we cut off my front exhaust (if still laying around somewhere).
Kit with exhaust (adjust prices for what's not done or not included).
Well, I guess that's it. Tomorrow we celebrate 4 months of waiting. I'm only offering to still purchase these items now as an act of good faith. If they do not ship by then I will no longer need them, not ever. Life is full of opportunities, we have one before us now...
Jack Lee
He failed to respond in kind, true to the last, he gave his worst…

Where does that leave us now. New Turbo System Two should be developed and completed the week of July 11th. We probly won’t need an intercooler, been driving Baby without it and temperatures about the same. This will reduce lag and boost pressure when shifting. For a BOV we will probly use a Bosch as it works well below 9 psi and doesn’t leak vacuum like the others I’ve tested. This is very important as our little engines can't afford to loose any vacuum. We will take the money we save there and put it into the turbo. It will be a state of the art Garrett ball bearing, brand new, spools fast, a real Garrett, not a copy. The piping will be aluminum, Auto Meter boost/vacuum gauge w/pod, VORTECH FMU and couplers will be first quality A&N’s, including oil return. How we will present the finalized turbo for you to do is still to be determined. If we build the kits they will be done with jigs (or figures) for accurate replication, something I discovered the first developer did not do completely. It’s as she would have wanted, nothing but the best for us.
As we’re starting over we won’t be Buying or Selling for awhile, till product is ready. Your comments please… Jack

Rick Reece · 07-02-2005, 01:59 PM

Jack,

Sorry to hear about the last shop. Hopefully the follow-on will be better. Have fun, Rick

Calpod · 07-02-2005, 04:14 PM

Good news jack,

No intercooler is a good thing, Ball bearing turbo even better, want to make it even better? have them set it up with the additional injector, the stock injectors with the turbo are almost running at 100%, they should not exceed 85%.

Jackmpg · 07-02-2005, 04:36 PM

Thanks Rick,
Should work better, this time. This developer does'nt stack customers like a bad medical office. One project vehicle at a time till it's completed.
You too Calpod,
I will pose your fourth injector idea to the developer, he only does Honda product. Baby loves her VORTech, we will see. Willie says I should speak to you. About your work on our engine compartment temperatures. It would aid us in routing the piping. Thanks, Jack

Normand · 07-02-2005, 05:43 PM

Sorry to hear that turbo one as died,
Happy to hear that you are going to do a turbo two.
Like Calopd mention, an additional injector or 2 is a must, i spoke with a turbo mod specialist and he was adding 2 additional injectors, the shop i am refering to have a well built reputation for doing mod that are extremly well done with reliability as a forefront feature.
His speciality is in computer reprograming, you can check him out at http://www.advance-efi.com/

Jackmpg · 07-02-2005, 08:27 PM

Thanks Normand,
I have not posed the question to the developer yet, but I will (holiday weekend). Some, or many, of our Insighters are interested in what this will do for ultra mpg. Engineers usually program a minimum buffer of 10% into what they do, if that's the case we may be within limits, don't know, the first developer could have steered me wrong. Extra injectors tend to sulley the pipes and produce less than adequate atomization. This is what I have been told, please correct me if I was misinformed. I do know that Willie has used a fourth injector with excellent results. I have driven his Rocket and it's every bit as nice as Baby. Need all info I can get. Lets see what the developer comes back with too. Thanks, Jack

figgy · 07-14-2005, 02:39 AM

I have been away (flew to Georgia to pick up a CVT and drove back via 7000 mile round-about trip which took the full month). Girlfriend now has 'Bluebelle' CVT and sold her Ford Escort today.

Turbo Edwin last was having mysterious coolant losses, which apparently was because the race shop never refilled to make up for the lost coolant after the turbo kit was installed. I believe I have fixed it now. Make sure you bleed out air and top off the engine coolant properly when you do your turbo kits - whatever they may be in the future.

I am currently leaving in a washer type restrictor which keeps true max boost below 7 psi (restrictor is placed after the intercooler). The wastegate actuator diphgragm was never replaced by the shop, so it still takes 10psi at the diaphgram to start it moving. There is a 1 psi or so loss across the intercooler anyway, and the restrictor adds another 1-2 psi drop after the intercooler, so I never get the overboost conditions this way. It loses some efficiency, but appears fine so far.

I have some boost plots, and I can post them.

Since the original shop appears to have dropped the project, I may try to find a local place to review the work, but it appears that aside from a number of problems during the course of the 'installation' there are not problems remaining other than the diaphgram being too stiff - but that is solved by the restrictor.

Jack - is the new shop by any chance out here in CA?

Normand · 07-14-2005, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackmpg

Thanks Normand,
I have not posed the question to the developer yet, but I will (holiday weekend). Some, or many, of our Insighters are interested in what this will do for ultra mpg. Engineers usually program a minimum buffer of 10% into what they do, if that's the case we may be within limits, don't know, the first developer could have steered me wrong. Extra injectors tend to sulley the pipes and produce less than adequate atomization. This is what I have been told, please correct me if I was misinformed. I do know that Willie has used a fourth injector with excellent results. I have driven his Rocket and it's every bit as nice as Baby. Need all info I can get. Lets see what the developer comes back with too. Thanks, Jack

Hum, all i know is that the extra injector will be activated at WOT and above 3500 or 4000 rpm, that could fixe your atomization problem.
I.m no expert on the matter and quite trully, don't know much, but i do know one thing is that the refered link in the earlier post as all the answer you would need, Steve is an expert on the matter.
Hope this will help you !

Jackmpg · 07-15-2005, 10:20 AM

Hi Normand,
Tried that link and it took me to an email address, do I nave the right link? Will be meeting with the developer Monday and will ask about what he thinks.
Hi Figgy,
Good to hear from you. The developer is in FL, you probly have a number of them around your area. Yes, I have been quiet for some time on the turbo thing. Waiting, waiting and hoping Warren would have made good, for you, me and our group. Alas, he screwed us all. But only for the better, the new kit will be better. Very much need your help, the turbo that is on your Turbo Edwin. If you remove the air filter you could get all the numbers stamped on the compressor (aluminum part), should be two or three series of numbers (and/or letters). You may need to remove the air cleaner pipe and use a mirror too, should be only one hose clamp. Pictures of the turbo would help very much too. I've discovered that our kits could have been done better, I must correct this. Restrictor, check your intake temps, they may be very high, even with the intercooler. Your turbo may be cooking. I must get those numbers somehow to fix our existing kits. Yours for excessive boost and mine may be too small. Warren wouldn't do this, what a jackass. This new developer only accepts one project at a time and stays on it till it's complete and right. Doesn't sound much like Warren, does it? What a relief... Help, Jack

Jackmpg · 07-16-2005, 08:46 AM

Well, here goes,
'05 is prepped and ready for her Turbo project. She goes under the knife Monday morning. Had to wait an extra week as we decided to go with the optional water cooling for the Garrett. She'll be born with a name soon... She has the custom exhaust, FMU, Boost gauge and some other items done to save the developer time and allow him to concentrate on the Turbo. This weekend I'll be road testing her to determine improvements to mpg with just the custom exhaust. As you know I got some real good mpg with Baby on the Tour de Sol trip with just the exhaust. We hope to confirm this with the '05, we'll see. The Turbo in Baby ended up being a hybrid, works extremely well at inducing lean burn/purge. Am determining if it may be too small for her. After this project is completed I may consider letting her go but will not do so until I am sure she is perfect. May have to convert the turbo to a non hybrid. One thing is for sure though, after experiencing what a Turbo'd Insight is like I could never own a stock one again. Baby is the ultimate sleeper. She's a different animal and an absolute joy to drive. A thrill every day... Jack