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Old 07-19-2012, 04:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Options for 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid IMA battery replacement

Folks, a month or so back I posted about a receiving a CEL and IMA battery light (P1600 and P1449 codes, no subcode given). I had the software on the car updated but, unfortunately, the problems have returned.

From reading through a large number of posts it appears that my options are to: continue to drive the car until the IMA battery fails (some say, depending on the condition, this can be done for quite some time); replace the IMA battery; or get a different car.

QUESTION #1: I am wondering what people’s thoughts are regarding these options?

I am not able to rework the battery myself, so if I want to replace the battery, it would cost in the realm of two to three thousand dollars as best I can tell. The options for replacing batteries seem to be:

a. Bumblebee Batteries (Bumblebee Batteries, LLC - Honda Hybrid Batteries - Home), which costs $2095 and carry a 2 year warranty.

b. Re-involt Technologies (Remanufactured Hybrid Vehicle Battery Packs), which costs $1875 for remanufactured batteries and carry an 18 month warranty. Apparently they are expecting to have a lithium replacement in Q3 of this year. No idea on the costs. Requires current battery to be shipped.

c. Better Battery (through Denver Hybrid Car Repair, Hybrid Car Battery Replacement). No idea on the cost or warranty.

d. Honda. The cost I have been quoted is about $2800 for, what I assume is a rebuilt battery, with a warranty of three years.

With some of these options, it appears that you need to send your existing battery in for a period of weeks to months. This would not be possible for me as I need to continue to use the car. So…

QUESTION #2: What are people thoughts on the pros and cons of these options?

QUESTION #2: Are there other options out there I should be aware of?

Any thoughts and advice people can give would be much appreciated.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes looks like you covered all of the battery services currently available. Only thing I didn't see is getting a grid charger. Mike has a top of the line grid charger but you have to get a harness to go with it so runs you around $700 ish.
http://99mpg.com/Projectcars/gridcharger/

You can find them from time to time on the forum for cheaper but those are considered "dumb" chargers that have to be monitored manually or you could damage your battery.

As for the battery options you listed I would save up your money for one of the Better Battery options, that will be the way to go for longest battery life in the future.
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With some of these options, it appears that you need to send your existing battery in for a period of weeks to months. This would not be possible for me as I need to continue to use the car. So…
From what I understand, Bumblebee ships your replacement Civic battery first, then you return your old one for a core refund. So you wouldn't be out a battery for weeks in that case.

I dunno, we'll see how it goes, I'm security deposit #1 with them :-P.

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Thanks gilbertguy. samwichse let me know how it goes and what your overall experience is with them. Good luck!

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I am biased, but I would recommend that you get a MAXIMA battery from Eli (Bumblebee), and a grid charger from me
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re-Involt offers new NIMH battery

Re-involt will also be offering a new NIMH this month with a 3 year warranty and we will be able to ship our battery first. $2595 plus shipping. We are still tweaking the lithium model and should have an announcement soon.

a. Bumblebee Batteries (Bumblebee Batteries, LLC - Honda Hybrid Batteries - Home), which costs $2095 and carry a 2 year warranty.

b. Re-involt Technologies (Remanufactured Hybrid Vehicle Battery Packs), which costs $1875 for remanufactured batteries and carry an 18 month warranty. Apparently they are expecting to have a lithium replacement in Q3 of this year. No idea on the costs. Requires current battery to be shipped.

c. Better Battery (through Denver Hybrid Car Repair, Hybrid Car Battery Replacement). No idea on the cost or warranty.

d. Honda. The cost I have been quoted is about $2800 for, what I assume is a rebuilt battery, with a warranty of three years.

With some of these options, it appears that you need to send your existing battery in for a period of weeks to months. This would not be possible for me as I need to continue to use the car. So…

QUESTION #2: What are people thoughts on the pros and cons of these options?

QUESTION #2: Are there other options out there I should be aware of?

Any thoughts and advice people can give would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
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Re-involt will also be offering a new NIMH this month with a 3 year warranty and we will be able to ship our battery first. $2595 plus shipping. We are still tweaking the lithium model and should have an announcement soon.

a. Bumblebee Batteries (Bumblebee Batteries, LLC - Honda Hybrid Batteries - Home), which costs $2095 and carry a 2 year warranty.

b. Re-involt Technologies (Remanufactured Hybrid Vehicle Battery Packs), which costs $1875 for remanufactured batteries and carry an 18 month warranty. Apparently they are expecting to have a lithium replacement in Q3 of this year. No idea on the costs. Requires current battery to be shipped.

c. Better Battery (through Denver Hybrid Car Repair, Hybrid Car Battery Replacement). No idea on the cost or warranty.

d. Honda. The cost I have been quoted is about $2800 for, what I assume is a rebuilt battery, with a warranty of three years.
e. Hybrid ReVolt - New batteries for $1999.99 with 2 year warranty and refurbished batteries with later model cells for $1499.99 with 18 month warranty. In stock batteries typically ship within 2 business days. All advance replacements - you get the replacement battery first and then send in your core. Been repairing batteries since 2008.
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B.B. Battery BP17-12, 12V/17Ah, VdS, Sealed Lead Acid battery (AGM)

This one to be exact. I plan on putting them 12 of these in the trunk and paralling them with existing battery. 220K on HCH1, original battery and if I keep my foot out of it, the IMA light stays off. The battery gauge will cycle from full to empty and back during normal driving. Since the battery is not 100% charged nor 100% discharged, I see no reason why this won't work. A lead acid battery of 144 volts is fully charged at 172 volts and completely discharged at 115 volts. The NiMh battery is run at 168 down to 120 volts.

Yeah, I know parallel packs generally don't work, except for Lithium, but since the cycling is always a moving target in these cars, the state of charge virtually means nothing, at least not like a pure electric car. The extra Ah certainly wont hurt none either, although there is a 9Ah version of this battery which may be OK also. The other "bonus" of paralling may be to continuously keep the OEM battery in balance.

Now before I get flamed on my first post, please note that my OEM battery does not contain any shorted cells and unless driven hard the IMA light will stay off. I'm sure there are cells with diminished capacity in the pack, but when paralled with a much stronger pack, the load will be handled by the stronger battery. The temperature sensors on the OEM battery will still be in place and function to protect the system.
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spsulliv, I'm in the same boat as you described, what did you end up doing?
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Go with the battery suppliers who own a G1, not someone who is exploiting the market.

Also PLEASE post your location in your profile, maybe someone close by has used the suppliers you are questioning about, and can give you or show you their experience.

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