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Old 01-16-2013, 06:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there.

I havent seen may CRZs on the road yet, but last night on my commute home, a CRZ shot past me on the motorway (I was doing my usual 62 ).

It looked like the car was already 'playing' with a Volvo, and I know the road pretty well. About 5 miles away was a roundabout and a hill - so, without being silly, I thought this would be a good opportunity to test how the new hybrid goes against a G1.

So I quickly reset my SOC to 40% to get a few good miles of charge before 'having a go' and upped my speed to match theirs.

As we reached the roundabout we were all in close proximity and all carried roughly the same speed round the roundabout.

On exit, the Volvo cleanly pulled away. However My G1 and the CRZ held almost neck and neck, with the CRZ maybe pulling half a car length. Eventually, the CRZ either backed off, or had an IMA warning light screaming at him and I sailed clear.

Considering I was probably also doing 20mpg better than the CRZ - I do wonder what Honda have been doing the past 13 years if this is what they consider progress! I do love the look of the CRZ, but, it still hasn't surpassed the G1.
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I dont think I would brag. Now beating the prius 3, yeah, thats an accomplishment.

The crz is a dog. Its got a soft suspension and above 35 mph the acceleration slack off regardless of gear selected.
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Hi there.

I havent seen may CRZs on the road yet, but last night on my commute home, a CRZ shot past me on the motorway (I was doing my usual 62 ).
Considering I was probably also doing 20mpg better than the CRZ - I do wonder what Honda have been doing the past 13 years if this is what they consider progress! I do love the look of the CRZ, but, it still hasn't surpassed the G1.
They have been making cars to support a viable business model by generating profit. Something the G1 could never achieve


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Would have been great if more G1 insights were available in the uk.

Would the automatic insight G1 be anywhere close to the manual version in terms of acceleration or at least in terms of mpg?
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Ive thought having a cvt that would make it an advantage with the start up clutch so it can get to the sweet spot of power from the engine and stay there for the duration of the run vs having the user select gears and the engine speed varying throughout the shift points.

On the other hand I think the cvt has more internal resistance or friction and over all it adds more weight to the veicle its installed in.

Hell, they may use different timing too. Many conventional cars have 2 ignition timing settings for automatic and without.


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CVT is also lower compression?


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Ive thought having a cvt that would make it an advantage with the start up clutch so it can get to the sweet spot of power from the engine and stay there for the duration of the run vs having the user select gears and the engine speed varying throughout the shift points.
Can't imagine a CVT would hold the gear up to the redline. All the insight power is high up in the rev range.
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Can't imagine a CVT would hold the gear up to the redline. All the insight power is high up in the rev range.
I have a cvt 2003 no updated and it will hit enter and red line at over 6,000 if I leave it in drive and floor it and hold it, Shift at 40 mph. Or down shift around 20 mph I did try when I brought it.
but It's not necessary to revs a engine you actually go slower,I would back off to let it shift , it's the same as wheel spin,when you race or are side by side of a v8 spin the tire just a bit, it's the same as he stood still, What happen is a standard will leave faster off idle and you trail him about a car length.it's because he got in the power band first,and it's a solid driveline connection but the cvt power band hit about 20 mph and its one long pull or 1 gear. would pull up beside the standard, 1 gear can't last forever and shifting would make him stop (see it that way as were talking about foot travel in a second) and your smack in the sweet spot. he fall back two car car length,and try to come back but by then you have shifted up and and he have to catch up with you.
In short the standard will catch up with you or even get pass around 50-60 mph, As then air resistance start to get greater and direct drive is better here, the h.p is increasing and the torque is Diminishing,
But that if he didn't add lower gearing useing upper rpm to take advantage of decreasing torque and more H.P ( most performance parts move torque higher in exchange of hp or more air flow )
Build torque lower for the street,it's useable power. cruising press the throttle and the car next is behind about 2 cars length in a second. Hp can't do
that. No down shifting no noise.

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