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Old 04-15-2017, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looks good

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Old 04-16-2017, 01:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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but everyone said we are nearing the end of IC efficiency?

there you have a 4 banger, 4 door sedan with 140 horses that is getting pretty close to the gen 1 insight. i mean i am all for being a car enthusiast but i also know that the tiny eco car won't sit on top forever, in comparison it already fails in a few ways versus a car like this.
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Old 04-16-2017, 02:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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58 is still a long way from 70 but it's a lot closer than it used to be. A used insight is still arguably the best car value in the planet.
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but everyone said we are nearing the end of IC efficiency?
And they would be correct. New hybrids like the Ioniq are using much more efficient electric motor drives with Li-ion battery packs to propel themselves and take load off the ICE. There's just too much ICE energy wasted in internal friction, exhaust heat, heat lost in engine cooling, and just the basic operation of an ICE with its pistons that have to change directions totally many times per second. There's just not much more than can be done, and things that are being done (e.g., turbocharging) add cost and complexity and reduce reliability. Electric motors and battery packs are increasing in power while ICE's become smaller and less powerful thus using less fuel.
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The insight is not a 70 mpg car you need to compare apples to apples in the new EPA cycle the insight is 61mpg highway

The EPA changed the way it estimated fuel economy starting with the 2008 model year.[31] The revised fuel economy ratings for the 2000 Insight with manual shift 5-speed under the updated testing are 61 mpg?US (3.9 L/100 km; 73 mpg?imp) in highway driving, 49 mpg?US (4.8 L/100 km; 59 mpg?imp) city, and 53 mpg?US (4.4 L/100 km; 64 mpg?imp) combined city/highway.[5][32]
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So by the new epa standards this one has better or equal mpg to the manual transmission first gen insight. Notice the 58mpg is combined city and highway


Ioniq is rated at 58 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving for its base version, called the Blue.
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what sam said, even on the best day the G1 stock isn't a 70mpg mixed highway and city car, it is actually rated at 53mpg mixed by the epa. but that figure is a little low, though they mix in every type of driving, which includes using the air conditioner which most of us sweat it out instead.

so technically it's a bigger car and gets better ratings than the G1 MPG wise.
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1.6 liter Atkinson cycle engine, DSG gearbox, 2nd gen Insight shape but more attention to aerodynamic details. All in a relatively light package.
The most efficient gas engine paired with the most efficient gearbox and shape.
Still it is just fractionally more efficient than the bigger and heavier 4th gen Prius.
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EPA numbers are nice, but let's see what it does in real life. Many of us know that a 58 MPG tank is nothing to brag about. I consider that sub-par. I've done better in a stock CVT. 70 MPG tanks aren't hard to do.

This sounds like a very good car, but I don't think it has us beat.

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140hp room for 4 it has the insight beat just on that.
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