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Old 09-21-2015, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Very amusing youtube video

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Old 09-21-2015, 05:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, how do you respond to that?

In America they do not play the whole commercials in full that show the diesels arent like old women. They just show the parts where they hit on the salesman, then flash the logo and commercial ends.



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Old 09-22-2015, 08:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The USA consumers , who tend to look on European products with suspicion will now be convinced.

VW internal investigations have revealed another 10.5 million cars world-wide with the emissions "defeat device" in the electronics

Volkswagen Group Volkswagen AG has issued the following information:
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Old 09-22-2015, 08:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Looks like they've been denying to the EPA that they do it for a year:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...I0J/story.html

I also read (can't find article now) that the VW CEO also initially tried to blame the US division for the deception. Worldwide, huh? Eff you, you responsibility-pawning jackass.
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Old 09-22-2015, 10:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Finally someone's been caught fiddling the tests. It's being described over here as the car industry's 'LIBOR moment', considering how much anecdotal evidence there is of cheating and gaming the numbers generally. I've seen adverts for 2 tonne 4 wheel-drive SUVs claiming 85MPG for ****'s sake. UK campaign group Transport & Environment (T&E)'s diesel expert, Jos Dings, said: “Our latest report demonstrated that almost 90% of diesel vehicles didn’t meet emission limits when they drive on the road. We are talking millions of vehicles.”

Worth reading the actual EPA letter to VW: Letter

You'll note that this is a bad one to defend. The application for conformity requires a detailed justification of each auxiliary emisions control device that results in a reduction in effectiveness of the emissions control system. I suggest that the EPA thought of this type of cheat and expressly worded the rules to deter it, rather than VW finding and exploiting an F1-style gap in the rules.

There would have been a mad scramble in Germany to check that higher management is not implicated in any email, in writing, approving this technology. Middle management must therefore be blamed. Some good people who were probably only following direction (but cannot prove it in writing) will go, unfortunately.

Oh, and VW's woes will only get worse. They could pay a horrible price for this. If VW can't engineer a simple solution to get the lean NOx trap working full time, if it can't be made to work without damaging the cats or reducing fuel efficiency (as it does in the Insight purges), if owners want their money back, if second-hand values of all diesels fall, if the French and other governments think that their own car industry has been damaged, if any insiders blow the whistle on other tricks to an inquiry (this is unique, right?), if the stockholders revolt, if...

At least Honda followed the low emissions track with real integrity. It can be done!

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Old 09-22-2015, 12:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I read that after the public found out about the EPA incident, stock for VW dropped 20 points.

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Old 09-22-2015, 01:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i believe the technology exists to control Nox etc. in diesel emissions , but the cost is excessive, too excessive to warrant installation on anything other than premium cars with high end price tags ie Mercedes S class and similar, and not economic for lower priced small and medium sized cars.

Thinking of the cost-to-buld of a diesel car ,the figure can only be far higher than an equivalent petrol model.

A petrol car only needs a catalytic converter to make a workable vehicle capable of meeting emission standards

The diesel needs expensive components including a turbocharger, an intercooler, a DPF filter and a urea based chemical injection system, and even with those in place , the scenario is too close for comfort as VW have demonstrated..

I expect to see a return to petrol fuelled cars, initially with mainstream small hatchbacks

It is probably not only VW with software skeletons in the cupboard, they are simply the first to be found out.

Finally how quickly can VW develop a Prius for the USA, when Toyota have a 15 year lead?
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VW stock is now down 56$/share or 34.5%.

A well-deserved ouch.
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There are a lot of Americans who think that of Japanese made vehicles too. Some comedians use to joke that one day all the doors will lock, engines will stall on command and the Japanese will take us over.

VW, Mercedes have went in the gutter regarding quality. I just passed up a "FREE" Jetta the other day. Found out 2 weeks later the transmission went.

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Honda's decision not to bring their iDTEC engines to the USA is suddenly looking rather pragmatic.
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