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Old 04-14-2019, 04:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I just dragged home another 2000 Insight. It was cheap ($300), but has a few issues. I probably saved it from the crusher. It sat for a couple of years. What are the odds of the "new" IMA battery taking a charge? I disabled it for now. Also, is there a starter from another Honda that can be used? I had to borrow the starter from my other Insight to get this one running. I'd prefer a used junkyard starter, but there are no Insights in junkyards near me. I know there's no direct cross reference, but I'm hoping something is close enough to work.

Neither of my Insights came with keys, hence the dropped steering column. The wires on the seat are a towing harness I made to use the Insight's taillights instead of taping magnetic lights to an aluminum car.

Other issues:
Leaking fuel lines on firewall
Brake lines look bad
Pops out of 2nd gear
Body is kind of beat up
Stiff shifter
A/C doesn't work
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Old 04-14-2019, 05:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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For $300 you did great. First, you did save it from the crusher. It will only appreciate in value. The worst possible case is that it becomes a donor car for parts. Good luck with it and keep the board posted on your progress, please.
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What are the odds of the "new" IMA battery taking a charge?
The odds are good. I've done a full discharge/recharge on a few old IMA with great success.

You should have no problem finding a starter from someone on this forum. All the issues you mention on this car are fairly easy to fix, good score.
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Congrats, gas fumes!

Second gear on these cars is prone to self-destruction. KLR3CYL rebuilds them and sells rebuilt transmissions. Or it should be possible to rebuild it yourself.

There's something about the design of the 2nd gear synchro that's unusual - which causes it to fail often. There's a mod to correct the problem, when you do a rebuild.

Double clutching is also a useful skill on these. If it likes to grind going into second (or any gear), you can avoid the grind and probably get many additional thousands of miles by double clutching. I had a rebuilt installed but I still double clutch when downshifting.
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The battery charged up and seems to work great. But twice I've heard a squeal from the back at full assist. Imagine a loud electronic mosquito. Normal? The battery is still uncovered, so I could be hearing things that wouldn't normally be heard. I can also hear the battery fan.

Does not pop out of 2nd gear, by the way. Just the normal downshift crunch. Previous owner told me it was popping out.

Brake lines replaced, fuel lines spliced. Running pretty good!

Can the rear brake shoes be backed off from the access hole in the backing plate? I can't get the drums off and I couldn't find the adjuster when I poked around with a screwdriver. Trying to remove the whole hub, drum is seized to it. Feels like the shoes are catching on the drum when I try to remove it.
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The DC-DC converter squeals when going from low power mode (12.5v) to high power mode (14v) and vice versa.
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The DC-DC converter squeals when going from low power mode (12.5v) to high power mode (14v) and vice versa.
Thanks. But I've only heard it twice at WOT and full assist. Maybe the DC-DC is squealing from not getting enough power from the battery?
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Thanks. But I've only heard it twice at WOT and full assist. Maybe the DC-DC is squealing from not getting enough power from the battery?
I'm not sure exactly how it works. To my knowledge the only charges the 12V at 12.5 volts for best efficiency, and allows the high voltage battery to take up the slack. Under certain conditions, maybe when power is being pushed through assist or regen, it switches to high power mode. I've driven with the IMA on and compartment open and never noticed any squealing other than the DC-DC. Do you have a scangauge or voltmeter to see if the voltage changes in tune with the noise?
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I'll watch the voltage and try to get it to make the sound again.
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The DC-DC converter squeals when going from low power mode (12.5v) to high power mode (14v) and vice versa.
Does the DC-DC really have a low power mode or is it just on or off, with on being around 14 v (around 13.5 v for me) and off being whatever voltage the 12V battery happens to be at?
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