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Old 01-02-2017, 09:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys, just picked up a 2010 insight EX with 72k miles. I've been putting too many miles on my other cars, and needed something that I can put miles on, and I'm happy so far with the MPG I've been getting. I read that it's good to have the CVT fluid changed. Are there any other things I should have taken care of on the car? One concern about buying a hybrid was the battery life, but from what I'm reading it seems like they last. Has anyone on here had issues with their batteries?
I get anywhere from 38 to 48 MPG going to work (mostly highway) Long Island to Queens NY. I've been driving pretty light though, trying to keep my MPG high. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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the hybrid battery is not an issue as the forum has a couple members with well over 200k on the original battery ... the 12v on the other hand can lead to gremlins when its old and weak so replace it ahead of schedule ... i upgraded to a 51R
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A couple of examples of batteries going over 200K is only an indication that it hasn't been a problem on those two cars.

It's safe to say the G2 Insight battery is more reliable than the HCH2, but it still has problems. I'm aware of a failure at 126K, and there was a recent forum post where a replacement was needed:

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Old 01-02-2017, 12:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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while the G2 ima battery is certainly not immune from breakdown/premature failure/etc., providing one uses the car regularly and not within an extreme use profile it should "live" quite long ... early predictions estimating the lifespan of ima batteries were all horribly pessimistic ... the science after all is quite old and evolved ... additionally the link you provided is of a G1 and a used car - a tad older and who knows how the previous owner used the car ... all it takes is for the car to sit a few months and it could plotz the battery
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Thanks for all the info so far. The car is a 2010 with 72k, so the miles are pretty average. I don't know how the last owner drove, but I'd assume with average miles the car was probably a daily driver.
Also I noticed every time I get out of the car I get a shock when I touch the door, is that normal?
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I get the shock only in very dry weather, usually in the heat of summer or a hard freezing winter (which dries the air too).
And it depends on what you wear; synthetics aggravate it, cotton seems fine.
The charging happens when you raise from the seat. If you touch metal when getting out you discharge yourself simultaneously, so you won't get a shock.

That said, it is way less bad than with my previous car. I treated the seats on that with a salty soapy liquid, to little avail.
It had a metal screw inside the cavity of the armrest doorgrip, which zapped my fingers many times badly.
I was planning to mount a 10,000,000 Ohm resistor on that to discharge myself without a bang, but rust, mechanical woes and a sharp deal trading it with my Insight prevented me from getting it done.

The grips on the Insight have a rubber inlay that hides just such a screw.
I could implement the resistor trick like with some fine grain wire over the patch. I just need one more good zapping to motivate myself

The G2 hybrid battery is good, but a very hot climate or long periods of disuse can harm it. The P144? coding G2 battery from the link was a Texan one.
My insight did just 1500 miles in its first year and had been parked for months with almost no use. The battery was sluggish at first, but steadily recouped over time to full assist after 4 months and 5000 miles of daily use without any battery tending or nothing.

The 12V battery was bad, and my warranty replacement one hardly any better. I monitor its voltage permanently with my UltraGauge.
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while the G2 ima battery is certainly not immune from breakdown/premature failure/etc., providing one uses the car regularly and not within an extreme use profile it should "live" quite long ... early predictions estimating the lifespan of ima batteries were all horribly pessimistic ... the science after all is quite old and evolved ... additionally the link you provided is of a G1 and a used car - a tad older and who knows how the previous owner used the car ... all it takes is for the car to sit a few months and it could plotz the battery
Pretty sure you meant optimistic. You're clearly not familiar with the 30%+ battery failure rate of 09-10 Civic Hybrids after 3-4 years, or the lawsuit against Honda for the battery life of the 06-08.

Since you didn't actually read the link, I will include the text of the linked post here:

"Just to give a clearer idea, my car is 2010 and has 82k mileage. I bought it used in August from an owner (so I don't have a dealer) and I didn't know anything about this IMA battery so I don't know the history of the car about battery replacements.

It was a very good deal, I paid 4K in the car. So even replacing the battery it is still under the full value of the car. I don't regret at all, even buying a little in the dark like I did"

In case you missed it, a 2010 with 82K miles experienced a battery failure.

IMA battery reliability, including replacements, has been very sketchy since about 2006.
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... In case you missed it, a 2010 with 82K miles experienced a battery failure.
I read it but I missed it, at least the conclusion.
It ends with the plan to bring it to Eli, but no whatafters, so we still don't know if this was a genuine hybrid battery failure or one of the hundreds of bad 12V battery related false IMA errors again.

The manual warns against not using the car for more than a month, and excessive heat etc. There should be several G2s with failed batteries around for that reason alone (renacaceres btw is located in Fort Worth, Texas...)
But the G2 tends it hybrid battery well. Even mine, which did not do much in the beginning, came back to full working order.

OTOH, Civic Hybrids of around 2009 usually are on their second battery. There is no escaping the fact that the G2 Insight battery is far more reliable than the Civic one.
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no keith, i meant pessimistic ... as for reliability, if u look at hybrids as a group, they perform better than standard ice cars according to true delta and jd power - i'll have to defer to them over you unless u can provide better data ... funny how you would mention one of the only two poor performers in the lot as being dispositive - the other being ford's c max ... and I did read your link which was to the G1 forum and seems to be a non sequitur ... as to the cut and pasted point, i believe thats been addressed
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no keith, i meant pessimistic ... as for reliability, if u look at hybrids as a group, they perform better than standard ice cars according to true delta and jd power - i'll have to defer to them over you unless u can provide better data ... funny how you would mention one of the only two poor performers in the lot as being dispositive - the other being ford's c max ... and I did read your link which was to the G1 forum and seems to be a non sequitur ... as to the cut and pasted point, i believe thats been addressed
The fact that a user posted in the wrong forum doesn't make the data invalid. I don't see how you can reasonably identify it as a non sequitur. It follows perfectly. If you recall, you claimed "the hybrid battery is not an issue as the forum has a couple members with well over 200k on the original battery." I provided two examples of failures at significantly lower mileage.

Now you are extending the subject to general reliability of hybrids over ICE-only powered vehicles. THAT is a non sequitur. You are changing the subject.
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