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Old 04-04-2018, 05:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi fellows,

I just arrived at home from seeing at one 2010 Insight unit that I found on my local Craigslist.

The car was nice, good maintenance records... the owners were very nice people, and I drove the car and it seemed in good shape mechanically. It responded well to the pedals, tires almost new, brakes too.. the car is around 100k.

So I gave my word to the owner of purchasing it next week.

The only "things" that the car had, were that it had the TPMS light on the dash,
and that when checking the lights, we noticed that the passengers red tail light didn't work when I pressed the brake pedal.

The owner said that they had been driving the car with the TPMS for a while, and that we could just ignore it. I'm thinking into getting the car to a Honda service shop when I have more savings.

We guessed that the tail light problem would be a bulb, but when I arrived at home, I checked here and saw that the whole unit must be changed (since) they were LEDs and it costs around $200...

Does these two things could be an indicator of further (and worst) problems?
When testing the car, I didn't notice anything weird.

Also, I agreed on the price, that seemed fine, but if now I have to go and change the whole tail light I would want to renegotiate... how I should proceed..

what you would do, guys..

I was happy when I left his house, and now I'm kinda boomed...
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Hi fellows,

I just arrived at home from seeing at one 2010 Insight unit that I found on my local Craigslist.

The car was nice, good maintenance records... the owners were very nice people, and I drove the car and it seemed in good shape mechanically. It responded well to the pedals, tires almost new, brakes too.. the car is around 100k.

So I gave my word to the owner of purchasing it next week.

The only "things" that the car had, were that it had the TPMS light on the dash,
and that when checking the lights, we noticed that the passengers red tail light didn't work when I pressed the brake pedal.

The owner said that they had been driving the car with the TPMS for a while, and that we could just ignore it. I'm thinking into getting the car to a Honda service shop when I have more savings.

We guessed that the tail light problem would be a bulb, but when I arrived at home, I checked here and saw that the whole unit must be changed (since) they were LEDs and it costs around $200...

Does these two things could be an indicator of further (and worst) problems?
When testing the car, I didn't notice anything weird.

Also, I agreed on the price, that seemed fine, but if now I have to go and change the whole tail light I would want to renegotiate... how I should proceed..

what you would do, guys..

I was happy when I left his house, and now I'm kinda boomed...
At the end of the day it's all about the price tag... whats the miles and whats the price he's asking?
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, letís see,
About the TPS light, if all the tire pressures are at at least spec, then one or more of the sensors mounted to the tires needs replacing. The batteries in those are 8 years old by now. They probably should have been changed the last time the tires were. Tire stores, and not just the dealer, have the equipment to program those. (Around here, we run tires at higher pressures for fuel mileage)

The led tail lights were a known issue in those early Insights, so there is no weirdness there. Lots of folks had them fail. If it was my Insight, that I bought new and had had dealer service, I would be expecting them to be replaced for free. One pays extra for led tail lights because they last forever. Honda should be bringing the failure up with their suppliers, not expecting us owners to buy new ones. But failing LEDs of all types bit early adopters.

What do you mean by good maintenance records? Has this Insight been back to a Honda dealer? How many times has the CVT fluid been changed? Have the software updates been done? Have all the airbag recalls been done?

Pretty soon, the MID (multi information display) will set a code for having the spark plugs replaced. There are 8 (!) of them and they are very expensive. There is only one brand and type that should be used. To replace the rear set, you have to take apart most of the windshield wiper plastic parts, so professional installation is also expensive. You might price that job out for budgeting. I let ours go to past 120k without issue. Around 105k is the normal interval. This engine has a timing chain, so no timing belt service is required.

So thatís my take on this Insight.
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At the end of the day it's all about the price tag... whats the miles and whats the price he's asking?
First of all, thanks for your reply. He is asking $5.300 and the car is 103k miles more or less.
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Well, letís see,
About the TPS light, if all the tire pressures are at at least spec, then one or more of the sensors mounted to the tires needs replacing. The batteries in those are 8 years old by now. They probably should have been changed the last time the tires were. Tire stores, and not just the dealer, have the equipment to program those. (Around here, we run tires at higher pressures for fuel mileage)

The led tail lights were a known issue in those early Insights, so there is no weirdness there. Lots of folks had them fail. If it was my Insight, that I bought new and had had dealer service, I would be expecting them to be replaced for free. One pays extra for led tail lights because they last forever. Honda should be bringing the failure up with their suppliers, not expecting us owners to buy new ones. But failing LEDs of all types bit early adopters.

What do you mean by good maintenance records? Has this Insight been back to a Honda dealer? How many times has the CVT fluid been changed? Have the software updates been done? Have all the airbag recalls been done?

Pretty soon, the MID (multi information display) will set a code for having the spark plugs replaced. There are 8 (!) of them and they are very expensive. There is only one brand and type that should be used. To replace the rear set, you have to take apart most of the windshield wiper plastic parts, so professional installation is also expensive. You might price that job out for budgeting. I let ours go to past 120k without issue. Around 105k is the normal interval. This engine has a timing chain, so no timing belt service is required.

So thatís my take on this Insight.
He changed the tires last year, but I didn't check the brand or model. Only that they were pretty new. Which pressure do you use? He said something around 30 psi, if I'm correct. He also mentioned that they always drove the car on ECO mode getting around 40 mpg, maybe more.

Regarding the tail lights, I spoke with the owner and He said that He it's going to fix it next week, with some used one He found online. So I think that if He's able, I will be good here.

Regarding the plugs, I just checked online, and from I was able to read on sites like repair-pal, they are going to cost up to $350, does this agree with your experience?

Regarding the history of the car, the owners moved to Florida like two year ago, and over here they have been using independent service shops, but back in their original state, they've used a Honda dealership. The car had no accidents reported, both airbags done, motor oil and cvt fluid changed every 7k miles...No sure about the software updates though...

I guess I could ask...

I mean, the price seemed fine to me, and I wouldn't want to bother them too much, being an used car, some maintenance is expected, and I like to have my cars in the best shape possible..
What concerns me is this is going to be my both my first hybrid and my first Honda, so I'm pretty new here, and wouldn't want it to be somewhat painful..
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Sounds OK to me.
What is the model? LX, EX, EX-NAV? That effects used car value.

An EX, in my zip code in California, with 103k on it is worth between $3900.-5500. The trade in value is $2160.-3670. So the seller doesn't want too much, provided it's not the lowest base model and is very clean. Service records are big plus.

About buying a hybrid: This one seems to have been driven quite normal miles.
Any hybrid is not a good candidate to be left sitting around, undriven. That would apply to a battery operated cordless drill as well. Every IMA battery failure reported around here has been the result of an accident it seems. So keep full coverage on it even if you pay cash. A slam from behind can cost a lot more than just some body work. There are 2nd generation Insights running their original battery packs to well over 200k, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Keep in mind that a weak 12 volt under hood battery can cause a lot of warning lights that mean nothing. That little battery runs all the electronic in these cars.
If you miss out on this one, keep in mind that, starting in 2012 and most if not all of 2013, Honda used experimental piston rings in the engines to try and increase fuel mileage even more. This caused the engines to burn excessive amounts of oil. Honda has extended the warranty on those engines, but the problem must still be proved and fixed. Just be aware if shopping.
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Sounds OK to me.
What is the model? LX, EX, EX-NAV? That effects used car value.

An EX, in my zip code in California, with 103k on it is worth between $3900.-5500. The trade in value is $2160.-3670. So the seller doesn't want too much, provided it's not the lowest base model and is very clean. Service records are big plus.

About buying a hybrid: This one seems to have been driven quite normal miles.
Any hybrid is not a good candidate to be left sitting around, undriven. That would apply to a battery operated cordless drill as well. Every IMA battery failure reported around here has been the result of an accident it seems. So keep full coverage on it even if you pay cash. A slam from behind can cost a lot more than just some body work. There are 2nd generation Insights running their original battery packs to well over 200k, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Keep in mind that a weak 12 volt under hood battery can cause a lot of warning lights that mean nothing. That little battery runs all the electronic in these cars.
If you miss out on this one, keep in mind that, starting in 2012 and most if not all of 2013, Honda used experimental piston rings in the engines to try and increase fuel mileage even more. This caused the engines to burn excessive amounts of oil. Honda has extended the warranty on those engines, but the problem must still be proved and fixed. Just be aware if shopping.
It's an EX-Navi trim.. kbb lists here between $4200-$6200 in good condition for a private party typical sale price of $5250.. so that seems good to me. Could need an inside cleaning and has some small paint chips on the back, but I thinks that's all (besides of what I stated earlier).
What I liked was the fact that they we're the original owners and have been taken care of the car.
And I will do too.
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Navigation was the only way to get Bluetooth in 2010-2011. We went for Navi for that reason. It doesnít do Bluetooth audio like the newer cars do, that Navi was old when it was new. In 2012 the Navi started having real time traffic for instance. Disks to update the maps are about $100. We have never done so.
There is a usb connection in the center console that will play music or podcasts off of an iPhone/Android. And charge.
Price is good for that model. Sticker was $25k when new, we paid about $21,000 before taxes.
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Navigation was the only way to get Bluetooth in 2010-2011. We went for Navi for that reason. It doesn’t do Bluetooth audio like the newer cars do, that Navi was old when it was new. In 2012 the Navi started having real time traffic for instance. Disks to update the maps are about $100. We have never done so.
There is a usb connection in the center console that will play music or podcasts off of an iPhone/Android. And charge.
Price is good for that model. Sticker was $25k when new, we paid about $21,000 before taxes.
Actually I don't care too much about the Navi/Bluetooth thing because it seemed old, as you said, and pretty much we use the Garmin one we got, or Waze pretty much these days.
And because the car has the aux input you can throw a cable and make the phone do the music so..
But it doesn't hurt to have it I guess..

I'll make a post with pictures once I have it and cleaned properly..
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The Insights Bluetooth is good for hands-free calling but doesn't support streaming audio. If you use Spotify or the like you are tied to the aux jack for music.
If you have your music on your phone you could hook it up with the USB connector; the Insight will browse its maps and play any audio files it finds. You could also just put a thumb drive there of course.

30 PSI is a bit low (assuming the tire size is 185/55/R16 or 175/65/R15) even slightly under OEM recommendation IIRC. I run them at or above 40 PSI for economy and sharp cornering, but comfort suffers a bit.
Try some and see what feels best.
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