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Old 01-03-2012, 11:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting, Firsthonda. If you see a story about whether she won or lost, post it here. I'll keep the URL in mind, too, in case she updates the result there.
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Wow, did you read some of the messages of support at her site here?

Dont Settle With Honda

It really makes one think about the wisdom of buying a Honda hybrid.
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She must drive like an idiot. My 04 Civic hybrid has a badly degraded battery (I get about 10 seconds full assist and about 20 seconds of 4-5 bars, then lots of recaling) and I have yet to have a tank less than 50 mpg.

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Wow, did you read some of the messages of support at her site here?

Dont Settle With Honda

It really makes one think about the wisdom of buying a Honda hybrid.
Don't listen to her. She's a dingbat and a lawyer.

Go on fuelly or look on here and see what folks are getting with their Honda's.

The EPA numbers for my car(2010) is 40/43/41. Depending on how much highway driving I do, O get anywhere between 42-48 MPG per tank. On the higways, I typicaly get in the upper 40's to the low 50's and just drive like normal. If I hipermiled i'd do even better.
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Don't listen to her. She's a dingbat and a lawyer.

Go on fuelly or look on here and see what folks are getting with their Honda's.

The EPA numbers for my car(2010) is 40/43/41. Depending on how much highway driving I do, O get anywhere between 42-48 MPG per tank. On the higways, I typicaly get in the upper 40's to the low 50's and just drive like normal. If I hipermiled i'd do even better.
Fair enough, but I was referring to the people who have written in to support her. They've all had bad experiences with their Civic Hybrids, too. Are they all idiots, or was Honda doing something wrong?
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Fair enough, but I was referring to the people who have written in to support her. They've all had bad experiences with their Civic Hybrids, too. Are they all idiots, or was Honda doing something wrong?
I cant say 100% for sure because I don't have a Civic Hybrid. However it has the exact same IMA, with a larger Hybrid Battery and the same 1.3 motor.(pre 2011 models) I think the new model has a 1.5L and gets better fuel economy.


As far as all of them being idots, I'm sure some of them are idiots, others uninformed and motivated by $.
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30 mpg? She must use the same circuit and driving style as the CR did. I drove an 08 or so hch and thought it felt really nice. The assist was lacking, but it seem to regen plenty. I averaged 42mpg on my little test drive.

I should do something like this against allstate or progressive. My new job is an auditor for insurance under writers. The system was down, so I did some browsing on diminished liability and non fault accidents, etc. Seems VA allows diminish value and with a non fault settlement I was suppose to sign something.



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I can see Honda coming at her on driving style, maintenance record, and if she took advantage of lemon laws. I mean, if it's THAT BAD in the first year, the Texas lemon law says the dealer has to take it back.
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This story was reported on NPR's "All Things Considered" today, so it's getting national attention.

While I agree that many hybrid owners don't know how to or won't drive to get good fuel efficiency, Honda is to blame for a poorly-designed hybrid system. Most buyers buy hybrids to save money. But the purchase price of hybrids is considerably higher than equivalent non-hybrids, so owners need to recoup this additional cost in the better fuel efficiency available from hybrids before they begin to save money. Then Honda applies a firmware update to try to compensate for a poorly-designed hybrid system, and this update further reduces their fuel efficiency. Expensive battery packs continue to fail at an unacceptable rate. Honda has been good replacing battery packs under warranty, but after the warranty expires, owners are stuck with expensive replacement costs.

So many Honda hybrid owners who expected to save money driving their hybrids never do and feel cheated. With Honda doing little to improve this situation (really, what could Honda do to fix existing flawed IMA systems?), the legal system is the only recourse other than selling one's Honda hybrid and never buying a Honda again. But many people today really cannot afford to buy a new car when they had planned on keeping their "reliable" Honda for many years. So for some, it's a tough situation.
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