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Old 12-06-2012, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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At least that's how it sounds..... like a clone of the Prius hybrid design: "The main powertrain components are a 2.0-liter Atkinson-cycle inline-four and two electric motors—one to charge the battery pack and one to spin the wheels." All that's missing is the CVT, because Honda is using a direct-drive from the motor to the wheels.

I wonder why Honda has so much trouble making a midsize hybrid that people want to buy? All they need is to put the Civic Hybrid IMA into an accord and done. It would get highway economy very similar to the Civic (~45 mpg). LINK: Honda Accord Plug-In Hybrid Prototype Drive – Review – Car and Driver
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Its the elusive 'EV Range' that Joe Public wants to verify they have a 'full hybrid. Dual clutch tranmission sounds good though rather than CVT or pseudo CVT.
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Yep, see comments on it from this thread a couple of months ago.
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Think outside the box.
It's decoy city for auto makers 8 months proto type cars. Who needs a tramission in a hybrid? 1 to 1 direct drive highway driving and driving the electric motor in lower speeds.electric motor drives lowers speeds with engine help. Without a huge power loss of a tramission the engine could charge the car battery twice harder for longer range, and it's about 150-200 lb weight saving too. Better mpg. The engine would be stronger at higher speeds . so less gas is used in hwy. Speeds, they already promise accord size withcivic mpg, It sort of a new hybrid with plug in of a small battery pack. It's new mpg stuff. We might see it in the civic if anybody could crack it right in the first model Honda could.
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Converting the mechanical energy of the gas engine to electricity, then chemical (battery), then back to electrical (motor) is highly inefficient. It's why the Chevy Volt in gas mode only gets 37mpg while direct engine-to-wheels cars like Prius and Civic get 10mpg higher.
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Except the Volt has direct engine to wheels power as well. If you recall, there was a big uproar over the fact that it turned out not to be a true series hybrid... just a beefed up parallel hybrid.

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True It's not a true plug in.that what many want, but it's a new type hybrid not sure a plug in is best for alll.
I talked to a nissan leaf Driver here in Honolulu, a teacher, and I asked what does he pays in electric a month. I could not believe so had to ask twice in a diffrents way, said he pays 104..00 dollar in electric a month, separate from his house payments. It's way more than what I pay a month, about 55-60 bucks used everyday. And payed off. I also heard the leaf stay on the charger a long time, accord its just 3 hours.the volt is getting a new larger engine next year.
Anyway same as you think we are getting the best deal, I just starting to used my new kill switch and can't believe Added gain. Found this
they anounce the mpg data and it's looking good .
Honda Accord Hybrids - Official Site
Accord Plug-In has earned the highest EPA combined MPGe rating[1] in its class (115 MPGe
The 2014 Accord Hybrid fuel economy ratings of 49/45/47 mpg (city/hwy/combined)

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Think outside the box.
It's decoy city for auto makers 8 months proto type cars. Who needs a tramission in a hybrid? 1 to 1 direct drive highway driving and driving the electric motor in lower speeds.electric motor drives lowers speeds with engine help. Without a huge power loss of a tramission the engine could charge the car battery twice harder for longer range, and it's about 150-200 lb weight saving too. Better mpg. The engine would be stronger at higher speeds . so less gas is used in hwy. Speeds, they already promise accord size withcivic mpg, It sort of a new hybrid with plug in of a small battery pack. It's new mpg stuff. We might see it in the civic if anybody could crack it right in the first model Honda could.
is english your first language? i had to read that a couple times to get the full effect (maybe) of what you're writing.
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Chevy promotes the Volt as an EV with a "backup engine" in case the battery runs lows. (shrug)
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nissan leaf Driver here in Honolulu, a teacher, and I asked what does he pays in electric a month. I could not believe so had to ask twice in a diffrents way, said he pays 104..00 dollar in electric a month
That's about 1000 kilowatt-hours per month, and assuming 22 workdays, is 45.5 kWh each day.

The Leaf gets about 0.4 kWh per mile, so he would be driving 110 miles each day. Sounds plausible. My insight would burn $138/month on that same work schedule.
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is english your first language? i had to read that a couple times to get the full effect (maybe) of what you're writing.
Yes it's is, its called life, solve it, we all do, if you not brite enough Move on. Let me guess you are a democrat, republican don't care. somewhere from the education sector or a constipated hag. they are the most judgmental never innovative, is like you have disgrace what they hold dearly, comas and correct sentences. You see their comments all the time drinking all the mush the the writers implies not the "quotes " in Obama bills, you are being deceived economy, and market is my strong suite want to try me? Don't judge. I am a day trader and investor 35 years, I have start up 4 business, 1 now few hr night taking orders. Iam retired at 50 and living my dream mountian climbing and beach days and track weekends, and Iam a high school drop out Iam down to earth, friendly but logical, I don't expect everyone to like me, but if you don't then STFU. If your the other contapated, they is that pink bottle.

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