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Old 12-12-2012, 10:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Advanced diesel engines are one option automakers can turn to for complying with upcoming U.S. fuel-economy standards. German OEMs in particular are the technology’s strongest proponents, but at the opposite end of the Eurasian landmass, Honda is not so bullish.
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Old 12-29-2014, 04:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That is a huge shame for the US. A manual turbo diesel with cruise control is a great thing for covering distance with economy, and having lots of power on tap when you need it...

US consumers should hire a German or Japanese TDI if they are ever on holiday in Europe, and experience for themselves.

For example your Ford Transit that is powered by a 3.5 V6 is a 2.2 or 2.4 I4 turbo diesel in Europe, and much better for it.
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It is a shame really, especially when you compare the fuel logs on Spritmonitor for the Civic hatch with 1.6 i-DTEC diesel engine to the second gen Insight:
Overview: Honda - Civic - Spritmonitor.de

Overview: Honda - Insight - Spritmonitor.de

On average they get better economy than the Insight.
Bear in mind that the Insight is a hybrid so it attracts the eco-minded set to save the world, while the Civic crowd is probably less inclined to save gas, err diesel. And still they get better mileage.

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Im not sure, but I hear diesel powered vehicles are illegal in CA. Didnt Italy ban their sales too? I think not going diesel is saving a headache to come. I rather they focus on direct injection gas and ethanol vehicles. Maybe even hybrid? Of course lets focus on 3 seater hybrids so they can still qualify for HOV lanes unlike the 2 seater crz.



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The problem with diesel engine is the high levels of NOX emissions, far higher than petrol engines. European sales of diesel engine cars has been strong for several years but the NOX issue is being recognised as a major issue for the health of town and city inhabitants. Note the moves to discourage the use of diesel cars in towns and cities eg London, by taxation , the London congestion charge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28540259

Eu to take legal action over NOX pollution in London:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26257703

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+1 Thats why Ive never been on the diesel bandwagon.



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Keep in mind that diesel prices have remained in the high 3s while gas prices have gone to 1.80-1.90. A bad value proposition ATM
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The problem with diesel engine is the high levels of NOX emissions, far higher than petrol engines. European sales of diesel engine cars has been strong for several years but the NOX issue is being recognised as a major issue for the health of town and city inhabitants. Note the moves to discourage the use of diesel cars in towns and cities eg London, by taxation , the London congestion charge.

UK government failing legal duty on air pollution, supreme court rules | Environment | The Guardian
If what you state was correct simple water mist or water injection would remove the nox.

The truth is the diesel particulate filters are making the "soot" pollution less populous but more deadly (nano particles of soot are harder for your body to remove and cause cancer)

So particulate, not Nox is getting the most attention as a major failure of current emissions.
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I previously brought up EU6 emissions and their alignement with Tier3 US SULEV 160.

Diesels in most cases will require urea for SCR and NOx reduction.

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It appears the "soot" folks are also getting debunked, apparently the current gen of emissions (not 2006 or earlier) is shown to be just fine on diesels.

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https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2014/1...health-claims/

EPA exposes exercising asthmatics to 9 times more diesel particulate than deemed safe ? No adverse health effects reported | JunkScience.com
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