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Wonder if they will do something "wierd" about the car styling so everybody will know that the driver is saving the earth...
 

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I was pleased to see that they added a brake control system that, from the sound of it, does the right thing by only kicking in mechanical brakes after regen is maxed out, and making a smooth transition between the two.

It may well be that hypermilers will be able to get more out of the new HCH with this than the Insight--except for an Insight with MIMA.

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NOW I'm getting excitied about a next generation Insight. If this technology is applied to a sub 1 liter 3 cylinder and put in an Insight-like body, we could be seeing EPA ratings of 80mpg plus! :D

Instead, and this is just a guess, the next gen civic hybrid will get around 60-65mpg, and allow honda to discontinue the Insight and still have the highest MPG car in the US. :cry:
 

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Re: 06 Civic Hybrid engine information from Honda -Very refi

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I wish they were as careful selecting technology for their press releases as they are using it in their vehicles. Flash just sucks for streaming video. Couldn't they have used Quicktime? Or Realplayer or even (shudder) M$MediaPlayer?
 

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Re: 06 Civic Hybrid engine information from Honda -Very refi

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Romir said:
I wish they were as careful selecting technology for their press releases as they are using it in their vehicles. Flash just sucks for streaming video. Couldn't they have used Quicktime? Or Realplayer or even (shudder) M$MediaPlayer?
LOL...I was thinking the exact same thing when I was attempting to watch that sad excuse for an amazing video.
 

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According to this
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... efer=japan
there will be a model "smaller and cheaper" than the Civic. It doesn't sound like it will be an insight--for example no Al body. But if there's a hybrid version with all the technology going in the HCH, maybe it could at least equal the Insight on mileage.

Charlie
That sounds exciting, could it be the Honda Jazz? - the car that currently shares the combustion part of the Civic IMA engine here in Europe (I think)?
Maybe it is getting a re-design too??
 

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Re: 06 Civic Hybrid engine information from Honda -Very refi

Armin said:
Romir said:
I wish they were as careful selecting technology for their press releases as they are using it in their vehicles. Flash just sucks for streaming video. Couldn't they have used Quicktime? Or Realplayer or even (shudder) M$MediaPlayer?
I just found that "Honda News" has a page on which you'll find a quicktime version of that video.
 

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if you read french, here's a good article from a belgian car mag with lots of pics of the new Civic - http://www.vroom.be/fr/actualite-auto-m ... -civic.asp

The Belgians, like the Swiss, are a good source of info on japanese cars because they have no home manufacturers and thus no ingrained biases. Unfortunately for those of us in Europe, the car apparently won't be arriving until 2006, if then given Honda Europe's stunning lack of interest in selling hybrids here. The Insight was sold in Germany and England for one year only, year 2000, and supposedly they even stopped importing cars to sell after only a matter of weeks. Meanwhile here in France the Civic hybrid is the invisible car. Presumably they've decided that euro drivers are only interested in diesels. Yet despite this I see more and more Priuses running around plus people are always staring at my Insight (one of 2 in France) and asking about it; everyone seems to know right away it's some sort of hybrid. In truth the current Civic is pretty much a zero car for here anyway since they elected to use the american body style instead of the euro body, a much more practical body as it's basically a hatch design with seats that fold flat to maximize space. The Honda dealer says it's because of the batteries under the rear seats but that didn't stop Toyota from coming up with a solution for the Prius. Hopefully the new Civic will open up correctly.

In another article from a french web site, http://www.moteurnature.com/, about the Insight, they say that the car won't be replaced. That article is a bit odd because apparently Honda Europe has made available an Insight in GB with something like 160,000 kms on the clock to various car journalists for some sort of good-bye review. I say odd because I would think that the objective of these articles would be generating publicity for a new car but according to Honda Europe, there won't be a new car and the new Civic won't be available until 2006. Honda builds some terrific cars and has some fantastic ideas but for me Honda Europe's behavior is totally baffling. But at least they pushed hard enough to get the Honda engineers to create a stunning diesel motor despite their lack of appreciation for diesel motors. Then again Honda really didn't have much choice in the matter if they wanted to continue selling cars in Europe.

As an aside, I read where, at least here in France, the car producing the least CO2 isn't the Prius, which is in the second slot, but the new Fiat Panda with the multijet diesel motor. I also have to congratulate GM for their brilliance in dumping Fiat, a company whose specialty is and always has been designing and building small, efficient cars. This when gas prices are soaring and americans are apparently finally realizing that gas prices aren't going to drop and are rejecting, or at least starting to reject, those gas hogs based on 1950's technology GM is so good at building. Or at least I've read that GM sales of their suv's and such are plunging, especially that dumbest of dumb cars ever built, the Hummer. So the company that doesn't have a clue on how to build beautifully designed and great to drive fuel efficient small cars buys its way out of the ownership deal it had with the company that specializes in small cars. Some seriously enlightened leadership once again displayed by GM.
 

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From what I know the next Civic Hybrid will be in the 4-door saloon body again.
It'll be made either in Japan or the States but NOT in the U.K. Why ?? Well, if the production-facilities in the U.K. are so good, then why has the production of the Accord been discontiniued there ? :wink:
 

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From what I know the next Civic Hybrid will be in the 4-door saloon body again.
:wink:

Will the bar be in the trunk and the rooms upstairs like this years model?

Sorry, couldn't hep mysef.... :twisted:
 

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Good post Enders. The only slight inaccuracy was that the Insight was sold in Germany and England for one year only. The Insight was sold in the UK from 2000 to 2005 (don't know about Germany).
 

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You in GB have always been lucky regarding japanese cars with your insistence on driving on the left side of the road. Heck even the japanese mandatory speed limiter wouldn't present a problem for Insight owners since the objective is minimizing fuel consumption instead of the opposite. Those of us on the continent can only look with envy at the array of direct import japanese cars in England, though from what you say apparently the Insights sold in GB were official imports rather than direct imports. I keep wondering who are the bigger fools, the rulers at Honda for not having continued to export Insights to Europe - and particularly to countries other than Germany - and for having apparently decided to end the Insight's production or all the people who didn't line up outside Honda dealers to buy an Insight. Given the dramatic and steadily worsening climatic conditions that have been sweeping across Europe - southern Spain turning into northern Africa, Portugal burning up, much of France suffering drought and water rationing, southern Italy drying up, etc., etc. - and the overwhelming evidence that we the human race are the source of all this, one would think that we'd be demanding governments to force all the manufacturers to produce cars that sip at the petrol trough the way an Insight does. But sadly despite seeing more and more Priuses on the road here in France, the increase in the number of resource consuming suv's - particularly the BMW's, VW's, and Mercedes - appearing on the roads dwarfs the number of Priuses, at least that's my visual estimation. The french love to criticize the US almost as much as they love to follow the american model they profess to detest. Will we ever learn.

Regarding my earlier comments on GM, not everything is negative with that company as apparently their german company, Opel, has some prototype diesel hybrid running around that is chalking up impressive fuel consumption figures, apparently numbers that could compete with the Insight's! Maybe news like that will spur Honda into rethinking their apparent decision to not replace the Insight because if that information was correct and Opel gets the car into production, Honda will drop even further back into pack as far as european sales are concerned because guaranteed Opel won't ignore euro sales the way Honda appears to do. And if Fiat jumps into the fray combining their terrific 1,3 liter multijet diesel motor with some sort of hybrid system, then things could really start looking good for those of us wondering what we'll eventually replace our Insights with, at least here in Europe since Fiat doesn't exist in the US.

I also read that the 3L Lupo will no longer be produced due to lack of sales. Another sad story as there was a car that could fully compete with the Insight for fuel consumption awards. Unfortunately VW also tacked something like another 5K euros onto the price over a standard Lupo. I never drove one but apparently it was, and still is for that matter, a fine car though you wouldn't want anyone leaning against it! Their use of aluminum and magnesium to lighten the car made her a bit fragile, or so I've read. Cool little car though with brand new ones still available in Germany at what are starting to be interesting prices, around 13 - 14K euros. Since most readers here are american, I'd best explain that VW's 3L label referred to a 3 liter per 100 km fuel consumption figure. The published fuel consumption numbers, similar to the EPA numbers in the states, were something like 2,7 on the rural highways, 3,6 for urban conditions, and 3,0 average. Even has a stop engine process but only after 4 seconds of not moving and through the use of the standard, but beefed up, starter motor. Not as efficient as the Insight's hybrid system in that respect. Four seats too, though one reason I like the Insight is because of the two seats. Also had special low resistance tires that, like the Insights, weren't spectacular for handling but definitely helped reduce consumption. If I needed to replace the Insight now, I'd hop up to Germany and score one for sure. The funny thing with the 3L Lupo is that supposedly VW came out with it because they heard rumors Renualt was developing a 3L Clio so VW went into panic mode and created a special Lupo. Well, Renault did indeed produce their 3L Clio, only the 3 liters referred to a 3 liter V6 sitting behind the front seats of the Clio where there used to be a back seat!
 

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AutoWeek describes the 06 Civic Hybrid engine as "20 percent more efficient than today's." Let's hope similar improvements are in line for the Insight.
 

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I was impressed too, but AutoWeek probably got it wrong. :( The official news from the Honda site is that the 2006 engine is 20% more powerful and 5% more efficient. The regen mode is 10% more efficient. The CD factor is better too. The rated fuel efficiency of the new Civic will certainly be better than a 5% improvement (as the factors add)but probably less than a 20% improvement.
 
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