Honda Insight Forum banner

1 - 20 of 31 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I just got off the phone with Honda Motorwerks in La Crosse WI. According to the salesperson, Joe B., they just got the catalog for 2005...which included the Insight and apparently new colors as well though he didn't go into details.

Apparently the owner thought they were being discontinued and was going to keep their last blue one for himself. Still waiting for him to make a decision and let me know.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
If I go by, I'll see what I can do. If I'm able I'll do a scan-and-post.

If anyone lives closer than 300 miles, feel free.
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Hi Ext1jdh:

___One or more things I haven’t seen you talk about just yet or I haven’t asked you directly is have you driven an Insight and what kind of commute do you have? Distance, which Illinois roads and highways, and at what time? The reason being is you are heading out to spend one hell of a lot of money on a vehicle that may never pay itself off in fuel savings and has some rather unattractiveness (not the looks but overall feel and drivability) that you may not have considered or read about yet? I just want you to keep your eyes open because I would not recommend this car to just anyone myself and I do practice what I preach.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:1gry0ihg][email protected][/email:1gry0ihg]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
My current drive is a '99 Ford Ranger XLT. I'm getting 16-19 mpg. My regular commute is 13 miles, from Westmont to Itasca, all non-highway (route 83). For this, I'm not expecting miracles.

However...

I'm a PC tech for US Cellular. So my job regularly has me driving all over Chicagoland, As far north as Gurnee and as far south as Lansing. In addition to Chicagoland I support stores as far east as Fort Wayne IN, to Springfield IL. I hit these remote locations up to 5 times a month. I also love traveling by car. Road trip to Key West, Vegas, New Orleans, etc.

Three years ago I test drove an Insight and I would have bought at that point if the dealer hadn't jerked me around on my trade in (the blasted ranger again) and I couldn't find another one at a different dealer.

Times have changed. I'm almost done paying for my truck ($1007.78 and counting) and my fiance just bought a Jeep Wrangler. She didn't realize they sucked gas like it was no one's business and it would be nice to help her out.

As for the unattractiveness. I love the way the Insight looks. I would get a silver one and do a gullwing conversion if I thought I could get it to look like an updated Delorean (love that movie). As for drivability, we both know how well the State of Illinois takes care of its roads. For you non-Illini, that means "badly." I've been driving a small truck for the last five years and I could really get used to the stiffer, less bouncy ride.
During my test drive several years ago, I noted that the interior felt more like my old Ford Aspire than my fathers Civic. Though the trim is sparse, I would much rather have the more comfortable seating position of the Insight over the Ranger or the Jeep that I was planning on replacing Old Red for.

My truck gets an average 17mpg. My fiance's 4 cyl Wrangler gets about 16. I simply cannot afford to feed both tanks on a regular basis and though the payments of a $20,000 car are not much different from my truck, I can much easier offset that by the lower annual fuel cost. Even if I drive it poorly and get only 50 mpg, I'll be 25mpg over the best I've ever gotten in my truck.

I don't want to piss anyone off here, so don't take it badly. It seems that everyone (minus my father and fiance) is trying to talk me out of this. I have been thinking about this for three years and the current prices of gasoline do not help.

Just think, when gas drops back down to 99cents per gallon, we'll all be able to buy a new house! I appreciate that the Insight is not for everyone. But my truck is no longer for me, and my fiance is counting on me.

Oh the joys of responsibility :)
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
2,332 Posts
I love the way the Insight drives!!!! On rare ocasions when I'm forced to drive Mom's CRV 1. I find the upright seating uncomfortable 2. I get really bored and have to play mind games to stay awake. 3. The roll, body flex, and height make me feel like a spectator, not a driver.

The aluminum chassis is 50 percent more rigid than a traditional steel monocoque. The Insight is sporty without being punishing. Until the day I first saw my Insight I had never seen an Insight on the road and the day I drove it home was the first drive for me and the car. No regrets.
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Hi Ext1jdh:

___Yes, those trips down to Springfield definitely qualifies for an Insight …

___I just wanted you to consider a slightly more practical vehicle just in case is all. My 03 Corolla LE w/ Auto when driven like I drive the Insight receives almost 50 mpg on the highway and has > 600 mile range yet is a 4 door w/ more punch through the band and is far more comfortable in terms of NVH even with its Integrity’s at 50#’s. With a stick, 50 + and 8 + seconds to 60 are a given. The short lower seats and its overall seating position is not as comfortable as the Insight however … You can pick up a 2004 for ~ $15,500 including Front, Side, and F&R curtain air bags, ABS, Tire pressure monitoring, Traction control, and an All Weather Guard (a necessity for out daily grind). The std. features are pretty noteworthy as well (A/C, electric window lifts, locks, mirrors, tilt, cruise, external air temperature display, and (2) 12 V outlets up front …).

___Another to consider would be the Honda Civic given it has the best TCO of any car you purchase here in the states including every Hybrid available to us. An LX has most of the std. features one would want to own today w/ the possibility of 50 mpg out on the highway when driven like an Insight for maximum mileage. An HX is good for probably 52 - 54 on the highway if driven and setup properly and although it doesn’t have the amenities available on the LX, EX, or HCH, it is rather inexpensive with great fuel economy from its lean burn capable 1.7 L ICE. More room is a given. In other words, a $15,500 automobile w/ that $5,000 excess for fuel can be driven for more then 100,000 miles for free vs. a $20,500 Insight if that is what you end up paying for it nowadays. Those that picked up their new 5-speeds last year for $13,900 however stepped into the deal of a lifetime!

___If you were an emissions proponent, all the vehicles listed above including the Insight are only LEV/ULEV’s, CO2 not withstanding. Another option for even more luxury and even higher performance w/ lower emissions would be a Ford Focus PZEV ZX5 5-dr. hatchback. You can get these babies loaded up with leather interior, heated seats and mirrors, power everything, powered sunroof, 16” Alloys, tilt and telescopic steering, and cruise … Not only is it larger then all the Hybrid’s including the 04 Prius, it is darn fast in the twisties for around the same $15,500. Expect fuel economy of only around 40 + mpg when driven like the Insight. That $5,000 will get you almost 100,000 miles from one of these for free again …

___If 2005 is your new time frame, there is a rumor floating abut that the Honda Fit with the HCH’s 1.3 L Lean Burn ICE will make it to our shores. It should be far less costly then even a Civic and may possibly receive a 55 - 60 mpg EPA highway estimate depending on what it weighs when it arrives. It is a 5 Dr. hatchback so it still has a more practical bent albeit a very small one. If it receives 55 – 60, you can bet you will get 70 + out of one on the highway if you want.

___There is also the persistent rumor of the next gen Insight in 2005 and who knows what wizardry those Honda engineers have come up with for it? More power, more size, and more fuel economy should be in the cards? Let’s just hope they have found a way to keep the costs down however …

___I am a 95% highway driver and with that, I don’t think my Insight receiving 80 - 90 mpg with > $2.05 regular unleaded would pay itself off over the other vehicles mentioned above if it weren’t for the fact that I picked it up for $10K used.

___Again, I am not recommending that you not continue your search because the Insight is a great automobile for its intended purpose. With that being said, other automobiles can fulfill many more needs with a bit more practicality and for a much lower initial cost when purchased new is all.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:2crd1kdd][email protected][/email:2crd1kdd]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
No worries. The time is just right though. At the beginning of the month I had a motorcycle accident (always wear a helmet, it saved my life) and the insurance settlement came out to about $1500 more than I expected, and coupled with what I was saving for a down payment, I can knock the price down a notch. I couldn't ask for better circumstances. The planets are in alignment. The cards say go for it.

I've seen the hybrid Civic and photos of the Fit. IMO, the Civic looks like an old Ford Escort and the Fit is a bullet. TCO isn't really a big deal for me, the 18K I spent on my truck is only returning 3500 but I've gotten much more use out of it than I expected. I'm putting my money on Honda's reputation for long lasting cars and I plan to keep this for at least 8 years, likely more.

Thanks though
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Just spoke with the dealer. I'm picking it up on Saturday. I'll try to get info on the 2005 model if I can
 
G

·
Guest
Joined
·
0 Posts
Hi Ext1jdh:

___What did you end up paying? Secondly, I hope to see you out on I294 and I55 sometime. Look for the Formula Red in the far right lane doing the limit or less and wave hello ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:r0kayr6k][email protected][/email:r0kayr6k]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
$20,870. I'll definitely be seeing you. I know theres another blue that lives near me as I've seen it half a dozen times getting onto 83. Can't remember the plates though. If I get a chance I'll flag him/her down.

Maybe we can go on a road trip sometime
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
76 Posts
with respect to the prospect of an '05 model year, fwiw, propaganda-wise, when kari and i were at the dealership today picking our insight up ( woo!, finally!, seemingly the only silver '04 5spd with no A/C - at least not yet sold - in the country ), he laughingly recounted for us that since getting the car stocked in ( from *yesterday* at 3pm to today at 8pm ), they've received two offers for dealer trades on it. also, he tells me that he has received about 6 inquiries from various folk looking for an insight.

so it seems that customer interest/demand is beginning to be piqued. honda _cannot_ simply sell off Civic Hybrids to each of those potential buyers, regardless of incentives. i would seem that laws of supply and demand could work in their favour if they would honour them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
Looks alone

I would have accepted the Civic...had it not looked like an old 4 door Escort. My dad drives a Civic coupe and it's quite attractive.

Yeah yeah yeah, they're putting it up against the Prius, but can't they make it a bit prettier?

IMHO
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
47 Posts
those comments are based on US gas prices

which I suspect aren't going to last. Naturally you guys stateside are still considering $2 a gallon gas expensive and probably thinking that won't last but in my opinion, not only is the price not going to drop, it's going to keep going up. When you get up to around $5/gallon (the price here in France at the current exchange rate) the Insight is going to start looking better and better.

For myself, I love the Insight and all its oddities and I love driving the car. All the others, regardless of their qualities and the economic arguments, are just more of the same boring same ol, same ol cars crowding the highways.

And speaking of highways, if you're wondering why those highways in Illinois suck, look no further than all those years of cheap gas you've been driving on. Roads are expensive to maintain; for strange, and in my perspective selfish, reasons, usa'ers have preferred assuming the highways will take care of themselves and have continually voted against any possibility of taking care of them. So the oil companies reap in major profits and the highways go to ruin.

Has anyone noticed that while the price of oil has been steadily going up with the oil companies claiming that's why the increased price at the gas pumps, here in France the price at the pumps has only increased maybe 10%, not the 60% I've read about in the states. Given that Europe pays effectively the same for the oil as the states, just exactly into whose pockets is all that increased gas pump price going? I also noticed that the oil companies are posting record profits. Meanwhile the American highway system, to name only one piece of the infrastructure, is a mess.

Guess I've been living in France too long because to my thinking a good bit of logic seems to be missing from that scenario. Unless of course you happen to have invested heavily in the oil companies and don't have any kids, or at least any that you're worried about.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
102 Posts
"Boutique" gasoline formulas contribute to high US

One contributing factor: regulations for gas formulas vary significantly by state and region. As a result, US refineries can't just "make gas" -- they have to make small batches of various products for specific markets. As a result, the US supply is sensitive not simply to the availability of crude, but also to the refining capacity for each product line. Interesting article here:

US looks at easing refinery, fuel rules
By Associated Press | May 27, 2004

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is considering easing environmental requirements for a multitude of gasoline blends and streamlining permits for new refineries to increase fuel supplies and fight soaring prices, Commerce Secretary Donald Evans said yesterday.

Evans, a former Texas oil company executive, said in an Associated Press interview that the cost of gasoline, which hit a record national average of $2.06 per gallon this week, was affecting driving habits, with people making fewer trips to the store.

Mindful that oil shocks in the 1970s and 1980s were severe enough to push the country into a series of recessions, Evans said the administration was taking very seriously the current run-up in prices and the impact it might have on consumers' buying patterns.

"It is of great concern to us," Evans said. "The president will take all the steps we can to deal with the problem."

A CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll yesterday indicated that almost 6 in 10 people surveyed said they expected gasoline prices would cause them a financial hardship this summer and lead them to drive less.

The administration is also feeling political heat from the surge in energy prices. Democratic presidential challenger John F. Kerry, blaming President Bush's foreign policy, said yesterday that "instability and danger in the Middle East" are boosting oil prices.

On a campaign swing in Oregon and Washington states, Kerry said people are paying more for gasoline because the administration did not pressure the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries to lower prices by producing more oil.

Evans said the administration was exploring ways to reduce the requirements that now exist for gasoline blends in different parts of the country to deal with specific air pollution problems.

"We've got to think real hard whether we need 17, 18, 19, 20, whatever it is, different varieties of fuel in this country," Evans said. "That puts certain areas of the country at a very high risk of being dependent on a single source supplier."

Evans said the need for these "boutique fuels" was hurting the country's ability to import gasoline. While there is surplus capacity at refineries worldwide, foreign refiners often do not produce the specialty blends required only in the United States.

But Vickie Patton, a lawyer with Environmental Defense in Boulder, Colo., said that the use of cleaner-burning gasoline blends had been "one of the single most effective measures to protect public health and the environment from harmful air pollution."

- MF
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,819 Posts
"...in France the price at the pumps has only increased maybe 10%, not the 60% I've read about in the states..."

That's easily explained. The actual cost of the gasoline - crude oil, refining, transport, oil company & dealer profit, etc - are pretty much the same on both sides of the Atlantic. So if here, a year ago you had $1.50/gallon gas, then maybe $1 was cost, $.50 was tax. Add $.75 to the cost, and you have $2.25/gallon - big percentage change, right?

But in France, you had say $5/gallon gas, of which $1 was cost, $4 was tax. Increase the cost by the same $.75, and you have $5.75/gallon. Not a big percentage increase...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
47 Posts
your logic is correct but the numbers you used aren't correct due to euro/dollar changes. Using current exchange rates, we used to pay around $4.47/gal; we're now paying around 4.97/gal. From what I've heard/read, prices in the states aren't all that far off from having doubled, depending on location of course.

I've also read that here in France the tax percentage is something like 85% of the price at the pump. Prices are also government controlled to a some extent which is why we don't get those roller coaster pricing rides. But like you said, when the price is already high, an increase in cents per gallon isn't going to be all that big percentage-wise plus we're habituated to high prices so there's no particular shock value like there is in the states.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
225 Posts
Discussion Starter #19
2005 is dropping Monte Carlo blue for Navy Blue. It's a bit darker. Silver and Red are still on the list. Didnt get any pics or details though
 
1 - 20 of 31 Posts
Top