I just bought a new set of all-weather Federals, after finally getting around to replacing the originals at 59K. My 2001 Insight seems to be working harder & mileage doesn't seem as good. I'm happy with my 61 LMPG & want to keep that or improve. Is this performance typical of all-weather tires? What's the best bet on new tires? I've seen a number of posts recommending Sumitomos. NOTE: Just had a 60K maintenance check-up & wonder if there might be issues related to what service techs might have done or not done.
All-season tire performance?
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sumi's will cost you 8-10 mpg compared to the oem bridgestones. however... they are an all-weather tire. the oems are considered lousy on anything but hard, dry roads. and not to good under those conditions either. but they are the lowest rolling resistance tires out there.
that being said (typed?), i am getting 70 mpg with my sumi's pumped up to 50 psi. they are rated at 51, so no problems there. the oems are rated at 44 psi, so 50 is a bit high, but lots of folks run them that way.
i would imagine the federals are hitting your mpgs kinda hard.
andy g.
that being said (typed?), i am getting 70 mpg with my sumi's pumped up to 50 psi. they are rated at 51, so no problems there. the oems are rated at 44 psi, so 50 is a bit high, but lots of folks run them that way.
i would imagine the federals are hitting your mpgs kinda hard.
andy g.
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Hi essaykay and welcome to the forum :!:
Yup, any tire other than the OEM Bridgestones are going to reduce MPG.
See the thread:
http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... 38&start=0
Otherfactors in the "mix" will be the circumference of the tire that will either increase or decrease the _apparent_ MPG. The distance traveled per revolution will be greater or less based on the distance _around_ the tire (circumference). The speedometer / odometer simply counts tire revolutions to calculate MPH / distance.
HTH!
Yup, any tire other than the OEM Bridgestones are going to reduce MPG.
See the thread:
http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... 38&start=0
Otherfactors in the "mix" will be the circumference of the tire that will either increase or decrease the _apparent_ MPG. The distance traveled per revolution will be greater or less based on the distance _around_ the tire (circumference). The speedometer / odometer simply counts tire revolutions to calculate MPH / distance.
HTH!
As I've stated before, I've driven the OEMs through three WV-VA winters with little problem. I'm very happy with them. I've had more problems in the snow with the car being so low than I've had with the tires in the snow.HafNHaf said:
b5: i realize some folks have had no issues with the oem tires. i personally have never driven on them, as they were shot when i bought my insight. however, the guy i bought mine from assured me they were terrible. at least from his point of view. in fact, he wore out the set of oems on his second insight and replaced them with something else. also, check out the user reviews on tirerack.com. thats where i got my sumitomos. couldnt find anything suitable locally.
not trying to say that you are wrong here, just that i have not heard much good about the oems. i would never "dis" an opinion. they are too subjective.
andy g.
not trying to say that you are wrong here, just that i have not heard much good about the oems.
i would never "dis" an opinion. they are too subjective.andy g.
Just so we're all on the same page here, the Sumitomo 200 that is specified as a LRR tire and that some folks here use is listed by Tire Rack as a summer tire, correct?
I agree that the RE92, at least in my brief experience, is not an "all-weather" tire, being more or less diabolical in the rain, but it is also not, nor is the Sumi, an "all-season" tire.
I'm still looking for an actual user of an all-season tire to make a recommendation, especially for use in occasionally snowy conditions. Anyone use the Conti CH95, available in 185/60? TIA - Pat
I agree that the RE92, at least in my brief experience, is not an "all-weather" tire, being more or less diabolical in the rain, but it is also not, nor is the Sumi, an "all-season" tire.
I'm still looking for an actual user of an all-season tire to make a recommendation, especially for use in occasionally snowy conditions. Anyone use the Conti CH95, available in 185/60? TIA - Pat
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In choosing any tire than OEM for any car the best option is to match as closely as possible the circumference of the tires. A good tire sales person will know how to interpret the difference in the specifications. AFAI remember Tirerack.com has some type of similar spec shown for the tires they sell.
Guillermo would probably know this stuff off the top of his head. But I'm too lazy right now to search the forum for one of his similar replies.
HTH!
Guillermo would probably know this stuff off the top of his head. But I'm too lazy right now to search the forum for one of his similar replies.
HTH!
Yup, Tire Rack does give the diameter and the revs per mile figure for their tires. I agree that this info is necessary for knowing if the tire that you're considering will fit under the fenders, and if the speedo and odometer will be fairly accurate.
Sadly, you can't judge ride comfort, noise levels, and grip/stability in bad conditions from anything on any tire dealer's site. So I'm still hoping for that info from any users of replacement all-season tires. Mpg info, while a secondary concern, would also be helpful. - Pat
Sadly, you can't judge ride comfort, noise levels, and grip/stability in bad conditions from anything on any tire dealer's site. So I'm still hoping for that info from any users of replacement all-season tires. Mpg info, while a secondary concern, would also be helpful. - Pat
No problem HaFNHaf, I did not take your post as a "dis" :wink: Opinions are like, well, you know, everyones got one. I actually just got back from getting new OEMs put on at Costco. All I can say is that I have not missed a day of work due to snow on my OEM tires, while others where I work who drive four wheel drive trucks have not been able to get to workHafNHaf said:not trying to say that you are wrong here, just that i have not heard much good about the oems.
andy g.
That may have more to do with the drivers than the tires tho. I will say that when they get a little worn and the road is wet, I can't go flying around curves like I normally do, not with them pumped up to 45-50 psi. But now that I've got new ones, I'm ready for the curves again :twisted: And regarding the reviews on tirerack.com, there were four reviews from Insight owners and they weren't that bad.
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Check out http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/automobil ... index.html for Honda recommended winter tire.
does anyone as comment for Nokian NRE 165-65-14 Thanks
Also, Nokian will come up with a new Environmentally friendly tire for spring 2006, you can see it following this link,
http://www.nokiantyres.com/passengercar ... NOKIAN+i3#
Also, Nokian will come up with a new Environmentally friendly tire for spring 2006, you can see it following this link,
http://www.nokiantyres.com/passengercar ... NOKIAN+i3#
Last 2 years were on ES-100 and liked the handling of those.Normand said:
With price of gas soring, i may decide to go with greener tires,
for now have to decide between Yoko ES-100, Nokian I3 175-65-14, Nokian NRH i 185-60-14, that may be a good compromize !
Also i just discovered Vredestein, they offer 165-65-14 and LLR, the model are the T-Trac and Quadra 2 in 185-55-14.
Comments please.
Best mileage: use 165/65R14 OEM Bridgestone RE92 tire (this is an all season tire but that category is a joke, more on this later)tubesguy said:
Best summer grip in dry and wet roads: 195/55R14 Toyo T1R or 185/60R14 Yokahama ES100
Best grip in snow and ice: Winter tires such as the 165/65R14 OEM sized Bridgestone Blizzak MZ-03
Best all season tire? These tires are a huge compromise in all conditions. They do not excel in any road condition. Some of the premium quality all season are the best at being quite, comfortable and last a long time, but they do this by sacrificing grip and mileage. IF you want the best mileage by all means buy the OEM RE92 but If you want another all season tire I cannot help you. My experience instructing advanced driving courses has turned me away from ever wanting to buy all season tires again.
Normad mentioned some interesting options from Nokian but i don't have experience with those specific tires.
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