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All-season tire performance?

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I just bought a new set of all-weather Federals, after finally getting around to replacing the originals at 59K. My 2001 Insight seems to be working harder & mileage doesn't seem as good. I'm happy with my 61 LMPG & want to keep that or improve. Is this performance typical of all-weather tires? What's the best bet on new tires? I've seen a number of posts recommending Sumitomos. NOTE: Just had a 60K maintenance check-up & wonder if there might be issues related to what service techs might have done or not done.
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Insight rims are 14"x5.5" and that is the typical rim width of all cars that come with 14" rims. Look at the specs of the tire you want and the manufacturer always lists a range of rim widths aproved for each tire size.
195/55R14 is approved by Toyo for 5.5" wide rims
195/45R14 requires 6" wide rims (I use aftermarket 6" wide rims)
I have used both of the above sizes and there is plenty of clearance all around.
185/60R14 is a more ideal size for summer tires on an Insight because the car is so light and the speedometer will be more accurate.
What would you think of this combo;
Goodyear - Eagle F1 GS-D3 195/50VR15 82V @ $129.95 CDN
http://www.tiretrends.com/catalog2.php3?tireID=412

or

Hankook - Ventus R-S2 195/50ZR15W 82W @ $106.95 CND
http://www.tiretrends.com/catalog2.php3?tireID=520

with wheels
OZ Racing - Ultraleggera Gold 15 x 7 4x100 37mm (Gold) @ $239.95 CDN
http://www.tiretrends.com/wheel_catalog ... eelID=6285

or
Konig - Helium Bronze 15 x 6.5 4x100 40mm (Bronze) @ $129.95 CND
http://www.tiretrends.com/wheel_catalog ... heelID=125

Is 15" too much ???

Tire choice was based on Car and Driver mega test
see here:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/te ... _gs_ds.pdf
You can see that Toyo T1-R was surpassed.
What do you think of this, your imput is highly regarded.
Please give me pro's and con's regarding all this.
Thanks.
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The Toyo T1R and Yokahama ES100 tires are the only excellent ultra high performance summer tires available in 14" sizes and in diameters that keep the speedomer within 2%.
There are a number of ultra high performance tires that are slightly better then those two in dry and/or wet grip but that would require moving to a larger diameter tire (195/60R14 Falken Azenis) or moving up to 15" rims like you suggested.

Upgrading to 15" rims and top of the line ultra high performance summer tires:

Pros:
Better tires are available in 15" sizes because it's a more common size used for civics etc...
Lots more rims are available in 15" some of then are lightweight
With better tires and lower profile shape the handling and grip with improve and provide a more responsive ride

Cons:
The 15" rims will have a larger moment of enertia compared to the 14"rims even if they weigh the same, reducing the Insight's acceleration slightly. Added cost of buying more rims.
The comfort will decrease because the sidewalls of the 15" tires are shorter.
14" Race-compound tires will always be better then any street tire for the ultimate grip in dry or wet conditions.

Be careful with the offset of the rims test fit before buying. I recommend 15"x6.5" rims instead of 15"x7" rims because the tires and rims are less likely to rub and the rims are typically lighter.
The Insight is very light weight 1880lb so it will not benefit as much compared to upgrading a 2500 lb civic from 14" rims to 15" rims.

Another option is to use 185/60R14 Yokohama A032R Race Compound tires on the street in the summer if you want better grip without buying 15" rims :badgrin:

There is no significant reason not to upgrade to 15" rims and get even better 195/50R15 tires. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

The Eagle F1 is a better tire in the rain and the Hankook R-S2 is better in dry conditions. The Eagle F1 would be quiter then the very noisy Hankook R-S2. I drove a WRX with R-S2 tires today at a Car Control School and those tire do NOT squeel at the limit, they make a scrapping sound before slidding like an R-compound tire. They don't give a audioble warning before skidding, but that limit is so high i should never be experienced on public roads unless it's an emergency avoidance situation.
The owner of the WRX noticed almost a 10% drop in fuel economy when we swithed from his OEM Bridgestone RE92 to the Hankook R-S2 a few weeks ago :shock:

If you going for it, buy the lightest 15" rims you can afford.
The OEM insight rims are only 11lbs each.
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I have A032Rs on my regular Miata wheels. Are you telling me I should put them on the Insight? :evil:
Dougie said:
I have A032Rs on my regular Miata wheels. Are you telling me I should put them on the Insight? :evil:
I'm just saying i've done it, but those tires were so noisy on the highway I thought I had an exhaust leak :badgrin:
Well Guillermo, another great detailed explanation from you, many thanks.
After consideration, i will stay with 14" and go with either the toyo's or yoko's. (haven't talked to Carl yet)
Again, thank you for your time.
All season tire performance

Guillermo
I have just ordered a set of Konig Helium 15" x 6.5" rims with
Toyo T1-R 195/45 tires. The stock rims and tires have a diameter
of 22.44" the new set will have a diameter of 21.9" for a difference of -2.41%.
I was torn between ordering the 195/45 and the same tire in 195/50
which has a diameter of 22.67" for a difference of +1.02%
My feeling was as we are only dealing with limited horsepower the
smaller diameter might be better also the T1-R's will likely only last
two summers so I can always go to the 50's next time.

Jerry
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Almost decided on T1-R's but want an opinion on Falken ZE-512 in size
185-60-14. The price on those is really low, but are they good ???
Also my tire vendor suggested some Nokian NRHi 185-60-14 said that it is an overall good balance tire comfort-grip and longevity.
Your toughts please.
thanks.
Normand said:
Almost decided on T1-R's but want an opinion on Falken ZE-512 in size
185-60-14. The price on those is really low, but are they good ???
Also my tire vendor suggested some Nokian NRHi 185-60-14 said that it is an overall good balance tire comfort-grip and longevity.
Your toughts please.
thanks.
I talked to Carl and he told me you contacted him on a quote for T1R tires. Unfortunately the price of those tires has increase a lot since I bought them early last year.

To answer your question
Falken ZE-512 is a performance all season tire so it's not even in the same catagory as the ultra high performance summer only Toyo T1R or Yokohama ES100.

The web site lists the Nokian NRHi as a summer only tire so yes it would be better then the all season Falken ZE-512 in the summer if you use winter tires in winter.
Finally the new tires are on. Nokian NRHI 185-60-14.
Got 50 milles on them so far and love it, they are still not broken in and not at the same level that the ES-100 for grip but so smooooooooth, my back loves them already.
Thank G. for the tips.
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