[windmill]

Verry funny, but it seems to be that there is a verry high rate of IMA pack faillures occuring on the Insights build in the year 2000 now !!.
Is it me or is it true ? I read more posts about it on this forum and I know that there are problems now in Germany and 1 in Holland (me) now.
How is on the other side of the ocean about this, and it is told me also that the warranty is changed from 8 yaers to 10 yaers, can anyone confirm this ?

 

[psalatti]

On Oct. 18th I posted a reply to another persons similar experience as yours and mine. At that time I was 1 day shy of a full month with my 2000 Insight at the dealer for this problem. Today, the 27th I am now at day 38 with a ETA for the parts of November 17th - which would make my total about 59 days, if the parts arrive as stated by Honda America. However, it will still take the dealers service dept. time to install so who knows how long it will actually take. One of my problems is not understanding how they can still manufacture Insights and yet are not able to come up with these items in a timely manner. Very FRUSTRATING!!! My dealer did get me a rental and have been very considerate with me but I still just want my Insight. I have 67,000 miles on my vehicle and still under warranty, which I will try to get extended due to this incident. Hope your situation will work out better and I will update my experience as warranted.
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[Insightful Trekker]

Hard to say about the failure rate. But its most likely that they'll be the first wave (oldest and potentially highest miles). It has been reliably reported that there is a backlog of orders for the MCM, BCM and IMA batteries. Several members have been granted some degree of goodwill extended warranty and are on an apparent weeks long wait for parts. Which *implies* an increasing failure rate. Whether its limited to 2000 models isn't clear.

There is an recent (in the past 6 months) post quoting a Honda official in Japan stating in a news article that no (North American, implied in context) Honda Insight owner has had to pay for IMA battery repairs.

Seems true based on all the extended goodwill warranty reported in posts over and beyond the 8/80K limit. AFAIK the statement was a bit of a stretch though since there have been some credible posts in regard to only partial coverage. With a few single posts from new members (never to be heard from again) about goodwill IMA battery warranty being declined.

AFAIK the warranty has not been officially extended.

HTH!

 

[bpapa9013]

My girlfriend just got a 2000, and other than one of the ground wires being busted, the electrical system and battery appear to be in perfect condition.

She took it to a Honda dealership in Kansas City who has two (2!) maintenance techs that almost exclusively work on Honda hybrids. They did some kind of "deep cycle" diagnostics on her battery and they said it should last AT LEAST three more years before we have any problems with it.

I'm not exactly sure what the "deep cycle" diagnostics are? but thats what they said thay did.

Oh, and by the way, my girlfriend's 2000 insight has 120,000mi

 

[windmill]

Today, the 27th I am now at day 38 with a ETA for the parts of November 17th - which would make my total about 59 days,
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Mmmm...... sounds interesting, does Honda making the batteries on request with a minimum buyers qty of 1000 ?
Why is this taking so long, the Insight is still in production is it ?
If a IMA pack is changed, are they also replacing the BCM and the MCM in the US ?
How many people on this forum did had there IMA pack changed already ?
Questions questions questions ..........it never ends.

 

[florida_gators]

My 2000's pack is on its way out...

About 1 recal a week or every 200 miles. No IMA light yet, but a definite loss of power over the past couple months. I only have 48,000 miles, and my warranty isn't up until 8/07, but I leave the county for a while starting in February and will probably not return until it is out of warranty. Any way to expedite the process :lol: ??? Joking--of course.

Great car though. No complaints.

Rob

 

[skinnypilot]

Are IMA resets a sign of impending failure???

i am about to buy a used insight (2000 model with only 17k miles) and the owner says that "sometimes" the IMA resets... no specifics, but suppose i take a test drive, and it resets during the test drive... is this something to be concerned about? does it mean big IMA problems? i read the post where the IMA reset during the test drive and the whole IMA system went down soon thereafter... how often does the average insight have an IMA reset?

Eric

urgent replies requested! thanks!

 

[Getshocked.ca]

My girlfriend just got a 2000, and other than one of the ground wires being busted, the electrical system and battery appear to be in perfect condition.

She took it to a Honda dealership in Kansas City who has two (2!) maintenance techs that almost exclusively work on Honda hybrids. They did some kind of "deep cycle" diagnostics on her battery and they said it should last AT LEAST three more years before we have any problems with it.
I'm not exactly sure what the "deep cycle" diagnostics are? but thats what they said thay did.

Oh, and by the way, my girlfriend's 2000 insight has 120,000mi

Sounds like BS to me, If they honestly can claim that, Have them put it in writing

 

[ChristianBaumert]

IMA and Honda Germany

I am one of the Germans whom Windmill mentioned.
I have problems with the start stop automatic. Sometimes light up the controlling lights. The vehicle must be restarted with the ignition key. Honda Germany works on a solution.
One week ago the IMA light lit up. The accumulator, BCM and MCM must be exchanged (according to the Service Bulletin).
Honda Germany is informed.

Greetings from Brunswick.

 

[Insightful Trekker]

Re: Are IMA resets a sign of impending failure???

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urgent replies requested! thanks!

All your answers are in my reply here:

http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... php?t=3814

An IMA Reset is a manual Recal and are highly variable. When driven in the hyper MPG style with little elevation change along the chosen route then they will infrequent, but not zero. (5 speed only, automatic (CVT) is different).

HTH!

 

[Insightful Trekker]

Re: IMA and Honda Germany

HI ChristianBaumert and welcome to the forum :!:

Thanks for the international information (you too windmill )

 

[windmill]

Re: Are IMA resets a sign of impending failure???

i am about to buy a used insight (2000 model with only 17k miles) and the owner says that "sometimes" the IMA resets...

As long it is a low miler you have the warranty. So if this problem is there and the car is proper serviced you get warranty on it. Does the IMA light lights up or is the battery recalling itself and running empty and then slowly gets recharged ?

 

[israel1]

Hi Insight owners,
I'm looking for that article that John said quoted the Honda Japan official who said that no (north american) Insight owner has had to pay for an IMA repair.

Has anyone seen that? My IMA went out recently (105,000 miles) and I still owe $4,000 on the car and they found $6,000 in total repairs that need to be done and I really need Honda's help here (cuz I recently lost my job). So I figure I should try to quote the guy that you quote here:

There is an recent (in the past 6 months) post quoting a Honda official in Japan stating in a news article that no (North American, implied in context) Honda Insight owner has had to pay for IMA battery repairs.


Thanks,

Israel Kloss
540-287-4154
israel at custommultimedia dot net

 

[windmill]

:shock: $6000 ???

 

[israel1]

:shock: $6000 ???

YES! Here in Northern Virginia, that was the quote I got for the new IMA Battery ($4,000 installed), 3-way Cat. Converter ($1,389), an AF Sensor ($289) and a new "under the hood battery" ($125).

I have a "goodwill warranty" call into Honda Corporate in Tarrance, California... please pray that they will help me... I'm unemployed right now and can't afford to be without this beautiful machine!

thanks,

Israel

 

[windmill]

I am waiting now for the parts to arrive but it seems to be that it will happen maybe next year, what is the average in the US ?

 

[Insightful Trekker]

Until recently it was only a short wait, maybe a week or so.

Lately as reported in this forum its 3-6 weeks :!: :shock:

 

[bernadetha]

I got my 01 insight IMA replaced in Sept 05 (after 2 weeks wait for new IMA packs). The pack cost around AUD$7,000.00 and I did not pay anything at all as the IMA still covered by warranty. The car feel a bit less aggresive since then.

 

[Mike Dabrowski 2000]

Sorry to hear about the battery problems.
My 2000 has 87K, and the battery has never had even one recal. Also with MIMA I am not taking it easy on the battery, and still no recals.
The prices you are being quoted for the replacement sound pretty excessive. While Honda may have changed the BCM and MCM, and wants to change them with the battery pack, it is questionable in my mind why they would need to change them. I can see where Honda may have changed the charging and assist control software to try and make the pack last longer or better maintain the charge, but MIMA can allow the driver complete controll of those functions, for a lot less money than the two new modules.
Most people that were experiencing recals before MIMA, have been able to avoid them by better manual charge maintenance.
Rick Reese said

I'll second that MIMA allows you to limit recals if you have them. I have done over a week of city driving with no recal by using MIMA and keeping my SOC up. My normal driving would be lucky to only have 2 or 3 in the same period of time.

 

[vdrum4250]

INSIGHT 2000 Problems i.e. IMA light, check engine

HONDA INSIGHT 2000 111,000 miles


IMA light, check engine light


HONDA SANTA ANA:

Error 1449, says they need to replace battery and bcm and mcm. They say it comes in one package only, but they price each item individually. This is goingto cost $6000. i asked them if they could tell me which of the three parts is broken, they said they dont know. They said that HONDA wants them to change all parts. I call BS. I looked on the report and it says to change battery pack and POSSIBLY the BCM and MCM. I am currently waiting for a call back from HONDA CORP to cover the cost of $6000 uner warranty even though I have exceeded the mileage but not the 8 years.


You know even without the IMA working I get about 57mpg. Right now the IMA battery is 99% charged, so I think I can still drive it but as soon as that wears down I dont think the IMA is charging it up.

I bought this two days ago for $8500 from used car dealer without remote and floor mats. I went to HONDA DEALER paid $400 for MAJOR tuneup and the TEchs put in MOBILE 1 synthetic oil in it. So how long do you think are th eintervals for that oil and is it better or worse?



Any advise or comments are welcomed, especially if you know the verbage for HONDA to pay for it all.


Many Thanks




VDRUM4250 :lol: