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Cvt internal filter change & cooler filter change.

A small job for the night, our insight was getting sluggish with the transmission and hesitating with engagement here and there. I've always been diligent with cvt fluid changes but with 60k on the clock, and how it was behaving, it was time for something more.

Parts - cvt filter, cvt cooler filter, cvt fluid, & cvt pan gasket.


The car:


Belly pan removed for access to the cvt:


Small tip, elevate your drain pan to minimize splashing.
 

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Cvt cooler filter:


And hoses disconnected:


New filter installed and cleaned up surrounding areas:


Cvt pan dropped:
 

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Cvt with the filter removed:


Cvt with new filter installed (bolts were installed after the picture was taken). Make sure you have an o-ring on the top of the filter:


Cvt pan reinstalled with new pan gasket:


Filling with fluid. It took just shy of 4 quarts:


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CVT filter you dropped the pan for surprisingly dirty or surprisingly not dirty or somewhere in between?

Nice job.
 

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it was dark, not sure if you can make it out in the pics or not, the new filter is yellow in the suction side, where the old one was grey. I'm going to crack open the old one and see what it looks like inside. When i tried to buy parts at the dealership (i wanted to do this before a trip and lost track of time - i usually buy everything online) the parts guy said they never change them. I was like I know, you want to replace transmissions, and I want to keep mine. Not surprised - they didn't have anything in stock either, so I ended up waiting and bought all the parts (both filters and pan gasket) for the cost of what they wanted the internal filter for. So far engagement seems more direct and sharp, but i have to wait until tomorrows trip to work to really find out. I really recommend changing it. The external cooler filter is great, but the one inside the cvt pan is where the heart is. That's the important one, especially if you are having engagement issues, hesitation, sloppy shifting etc. The cooler filter wont fix that. I've changed the cvt fluid at every recommend interval as well.
 

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Wow, there is a second filter.... I notice that in the service manual, however the dealer would not confirm it. As is they dont seem that happy I replace the inline cooler filter or change the cvt fluid as often as I do.

I dont have any "shifting" issues, but I do feel the cvt or clutch slip when cold and during medium acceleration for a second or 2. My assumption was it was a psi issue to the clutch pack, so this filter when changed should help that.

Now was this as messy as a traditional auto tranny fluid change? Last I changed the fluid in my Ford e250 my white t shirt ended up red. :confused:
 

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No it wasn't bad. When the pans down you have to keep a drip pan under it but that's it. The ford I'm assuming didn't have a drain bung in the pan so you have to drop it full, a little lean here or there and whamo fluid everywhere. The insight is empty when you drop it and its only 3 quarts.

The dealer can pound sand as far as I'm concerned. They gave me the same run around b.s. Swap your filter let me know how it works for you.
 

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I ordered my parts online after I went to the dealer and they didn't have them in stock. What the dealer was asking was insane. Like 75 bucks for the internal filter.
 

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Its a 2011, and whenever the service code called for it. I think its 15k miles but I'm not sure. 4 fluid changes seems right from what I remember but not 100%.
 

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I'm a G1 guy, but this thread caught my eye for a couple reasons, particularly seeing the 2nd (bigger) filter / strainer (good move on replacing it). On the G1, the maintenance schedule suggests changing both at 30k miles.

The 2nd filter is also hard to locate in the manual, since one is in the transmission section of the book and the other (big one) is in the 'valve body' section of the book. Same at majestic parts.

I heard a service tech say the bigger filter is to be aired out and reused. I'd rather buy a new filter than a tranny.

Does the G2 tranny drain plug have a magnet? Anything on it ?
 

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For the g2 there is no service interval for either filter. The dealers don't change them. I'd take a look at realoem.com to locate the filter and see exploded parts diagrams, and get part numbers. There's no way I'd reuse the filter it was like $45 bucks. Heck even if it was $150 I'd still replace it. The drain plug does have a magnet and there's particulate on it every time, nothing major, you can see the dirty rag from where i cleaned the pan magnets. Its similar.
 

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Excellent post!!!

Recommend for sticky.

Only way I'd think of improving would be by posting filter/gasket part numbers for us lazy ones. :)
 

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Its a 2011, and whenever the service code called for it. I think its 15k miles but I'm not sure. 4 fluid changes seems right from what I remember but not 100%.

Well I ask because I was wondering if your Insight had had any software updates. As an obviously competent mechanic I doubt your vehicle has ever been back to the dealer. If you get the letter about the IMA one they are doing for free I would try and get in to have that done. Once they connect to the Honda computer you will probably get all of them. One effects how the CVT shifts*and is well worth having. (I think some Insights had updates done at the factory, depending on their build date)

If you have changed the fluid now 4 times you are way on top of it. That would be the every other oil change schedule recommended around here (and by Honda mechanics on all types of automatics forever) but the MID would have only set the code on each third or fourth oil change, meaning 60k might only be the second change. I am a firm believer in the oil life matrix, but some things, like trans fluid, need to be done sooner. Somewhere posted here is an interview with the Honda engineer who designed the CVT and he said it would be prudent to change the fluid every 18k I think.

*well engage and disengage, a CVT does not "shift"

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I wasn't expecting it to be a sticky or anything so I left out some stuff and didn't snap pictures of everything or part numbers. If I have time I might fill in some gaps.
 

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you bring up a good.point. the car hasn't seen the dealer and we did get a letter about a recall, which I have yet to bring it in for. Its a hassle for me to.go and it.will probably be some time before I make.it there. But I'll make an effort now that you mentioned it. And I think I changed the fluid 2x and then my.wife said it was acting funny so I changed it a 3rd time within the past 5000 miles.or so and then she said it was acting up again so I decided to order everything. I was diligent about following the MID becuase the CVT are weak and sensiitive to fluids, but i didn't start doing preemptive things until recently.
 

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While the fluid changes do smooth things out and are of course wise in the long run, the CVT software update fixes the jerk you get when you take your foot off the brake at a stop (with auto stop engaged) and first start off. It also makes the auto stop less random. Although in Florida I would probably keep it in S during stop & go traffic as that keeps the auto stop from engaging at all. It's what I do when it's hot here in SoCal. I'm all for saving fuel but I am not into suffering.
 
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