[ChristianBaumert]

My 2000 / 5 speed suffers from the hesitation problem. In the forum a bulletin is mentioned. My german dealer inquired with Honda. The bulletin does not exist allegedly.
Does someone have more exact information such as publication data etc. ?


Greetings from Brunswick !

:?:

 

[Resist]

That is weird my dealership knew all about it.

 

[kapps]

There's a service bulletin? My Insight's hesitation has just gotten a little worse and I need to get it looked at. It would make things a lot easier if Honda acknowledged the problem.

 

[Resist]

They have acknowledged the problem. It's just not a safety issue to send out a recall notice. The EGR system really sucks and should not be used in the Insight to begin with. If you are outside of warranty you could take your EGR valve off and just clean it. All dealerships are doing is replacing them but, the design of the valve hasn't changed so the same issues could come up again when the valve gets clogged.

 

[rschaffrath]

I was having hesitation problems with my 2000 as well though I have only racked up 24000 miles on my vehicle. I pulled the EGR valve and spayed WD40 in it to remove the carbon buildup but there wasn't much.

Afterwords, I picked up a bottle of Chevron Techron and poured that in. 1/2 tank of gas burned so far and there has been a noticable improvement. It is quite possible that the hesitation you are seeing is dirty injectors rather than an EGR valve problem.

 

[Resist]

Hard to believe dirty injectors would be the problem since almost all gasoline now has detergents in it.

 

[rschaffrath]

Hard to believe dirty injectors would be the problem since almost all gasoline now has detergents in it.

Yes all gasolines have detergent in them as it is required by law. However, the actually amount and effectiveness is basically left up to the refiner. The premium grades tend to have better cleaning properties than 87 as that has basically become a commodity product. There is an interesting article on the Techron website at http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/nafl/docs/LTB_39.pdf on the problem. Granted it is a marketing site but the information is interesting.

 

[cakley]

my dealer replaced the egr valve and told me there was a service bulletin. A few thousand miles later the problem came back. The same dealership told me that there was no buletin on the EGR.

They had upgraded to a online computer system. the tech even let me look through the whole online files. nothing! on the egr.

 

[ChristianBaumert]

My dealer changed the EGR-Valve a few months ago. The problem seems to be solved.

 

[Resist]

Just remember replacing the EGR valve is a short term fix as the EGR valve is a bed design. It will clog up again.

 

[windmill]

It is quite possible that the hesitation you are seeing is dirty injectors rather than an EGR valve problem.

Hesitations are very normal these days in Holland/the Netherlands, due to the SULFUR poor gasoline. A lot of injectors are getting "sticked" and this generates many problems (400 % more) on all types,old or new cars, all due to the new European law to remove all SULFUR from the gasoline before 2009.
Does this problem also exist in the north America ?

 

[Insightful Trekker]

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Does someone have more exact information such as publication data etc. ?


Greetings from Brunswick !

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There's mention in the form of a reminder in the Aug 04 (03?) Service News (USA only?)

It simply states to remember that EGR can cause a variety of hesitation problems and to not forget to look there when such a complaint comes along. A Service Bulliten is merely a specific problem with a solution. Still not a recall and *rarely* an extension of the normal warranty.


windmill:

Yes there are a few areas in the US that are plagued with high sulpher fuel. More typically it causes O2 sensor and CAT damage

HTH!

 

[originalbadbob]

Yes there are a few areas in the US that are plagued with high sulpher fuel. More typically it causes O2 sensor and CAT damage

Is there a way to find out which areas or brands that have high sulfur fuel?

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Guest]

Hi Originalbadbob:

___If you live in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, or Vermont, I believe all of your gasoline is low sulfur. I know it is in California anyway. If you live in upper Wisconsin or Minnesota, you can find LS gasoline at any Super America promoting Blue Planet fuel. In most larger cities around the country, you can fill up with LS fuel by purchasing Amoco Ultimate Premium brand gasoline. It is ~ $0.20 more/gallon given it is 91 Octane Premium but it is also low sulfur. Check with your local station to see the invoice if the attendant does not know. The “LS” designation will stand out quite clearly amongst the rest of the gobbily **** on those things. I saw a delivery invoice for an Amoco station in Braidwood, IL. and it listed one of the tanks being filled with LS. This is the Premium Ultimate you might have seen on TV. Make sure however because I don’t think it has to be LS, but just is in some of the larger metropolitan areas IIRC. With a bit of searching over at BP, I bet you will be able to find what you need?

___I hope this helped.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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