I'm not forgetting it, I'm just not buying it.james said:You're forgetting the main reason sales are low: it cost Honda more to build an Insight than the MSRP.
Honda certainly can't hand build as many Insights as they can roll HCH's off a robot assembly line. They are basically building enough to cover orders. Orders are few because relatively few people (including dealership employees) know the car exists. Pretty much the only advertisement is by word of mouth.ethicalpaul said:Production numbers are low because they know that sales are low. Don't kid yourself that Honda's manufacturing limitations are why they aren't on any lots. It may be by design that the production numbers are low, but it's not due to manufacturing limitations, it's because they chose to only put out that many. If they put out many more, they would just sit on the lot.
No. But I blame the government for not including the most fuel efficient gas-powered car simply because it is slightly more dirty than SULEV. They could've set the limit at ULEV.ethicalpaul said:You deny the engine's emissions? You can argue with the tax credit law all you want (and I'd agree with you, it's stupid), but the engine isn't SULEV. If it were, we'd get the credit no matter how much big oil is running the show.
No, demand for monster trucks is dropping, and has been for a while now. If there's a waiting list for the H3 (and I doubt it, but don't have facts) it is because it is brand new- a novelty item.ethicalpaul said:Probably no bigger than that for the Hummer 3. But I was talking about the Insight.
Insights on eBay have been getting better prices lately than they used to. I'm sure this phenomenon is not exclusive to eBay.ethicalpaul said:I haven't seen that. I see resale prices about the same as for other used cars. Maybe they don't drop as fast as other cars, but I see no climbing!?! I saw a nice '03 for 10k.
Already answered. Low production ultimately due to no advertisement and a manufacturing cost that is higher than the sale price.ethicalpaul said:I thought we were talking about the Insight? Where are the waiting lists for that? Sure we read about fellow Insight freaks on this forum who are bugging their local dealer for one, but again, we are a depressingly tiny slice of a rather small pie (the pie being hybrid buyers overall).
No, that is not my position. And what year did they make "a lot more of them?" "A lot" means different things to different people, I guess.ethicalpaul said:So it seems that your opinion is that if only Honda would make more Insights, that sales would dramatically climb? Sorry, I don't buy it. On those years where they made a lot more of them, they just sat on lots is my recollection. Was it 2002 when they made more? That's the year I was able to test drive one that was just sitting there. No waiting list on that car, for sure.
I'm not denying that. But a lot of the reason is lack of advertisement. You have to know something exists before you can develop an opinion of it. Surely you can't deny that interest and demand for more efficient vehicles is on the rise.ethicalpaul said:It's a great car, but only we tiny few think so. I am not sure how you can possibly deny that.