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Yes, an another boring quistion!!

A new system in the Netherlands has been developped to pay less roadtaxes. And this is done to promote clean cars.(Yes, in this country you pay a tax wich is depending on the weight of your car!! This is great. How more heavy the car is, how more to pay!!) Now the point is: the new Toyota Prius is coming, and the government made a new system: you take the total weight of the car, minus the hybrid system weight (the electrical part of course) and the outcome will be: the new weight of your car!! Now Toyota claims that the electrical part of the hybrid system weights approx. 172 kgs!!
So that means that the Prius drops 2 steps in the tax-ladder.
Now here is comming my part of this new arrangement: what is the weight of the hybrid electrical system of the Honda Insight?? This is not a million dollar quistion, but this is probably a breakthru in this country to sell/promote more hybrids!! And next week I am getting my Honda Insight, and it has to go thru the commisionboard for allowance to drive on de Dutch roads under the Dutch laws, because there are no Honda Insights (yet) in the Netherlands. This one, will be the first one!!

So please tell me!!!! What is the weight of the electrical hybrid system???
So I can give them an answer, before they ask me the weight question!!

Thank you for reading this "another silly quistion!!" :D :D
Greetings Etienne van leeuwen. the Netherlands
 

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Looked all through the electronic service manual, can't find anything on it. I think the battery pack is supposed to only weigh about 40 pounds is it? You can go from there. I doubt the whole system would weigh in excess of 100 pounds. You might go on evalbum.com and contact the guy who converted his to EV and see if he happens to have any weights of the magic box.
 

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I know it now: normal an Insight 5 speed weights up tp 850 kgs, my government says 795 kgs! So that's good to hear. It saves 55 kgs.
That is good for my roadtax payments 8)

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A new system in the Netherlands has been developped to pay less roadtaxes. And this is done to promote clean cars.(Yes, in this country you pay a tax wich is depending on the weight of your car!! )

The United States has the same, but the road tax is accessed directly: ~60 cents per gallon. So the less gas you burn, the less tax you pay.
 

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Is it not so that how more people buy an Insight or a hybrid, that this system will be drained, because the government will miss money!! As simple as that!. This is my greatest concern! The Dutch government is able to stop these "benefits".

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True. That happened in Oregon State where the politicians decided to charge Hybrid Cars *double* the license registration fee. Why? So they can make up the taxes lost, because hybrids burn less gasoline. (rolls eyes)


IMHO, what they *should* do... if people start driving more efficient 40,50,60 MPG cars... is simply raise the gas taxes from 60 cents per gallon to 80 cents per gallon to make sure there's enough money to keep the roads repaired.
 

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Now I do understand that the Chevy EV-1 (or how is the American green car called?)was elliminated, government is loosing money and the oil companies to!! :evil:

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The United States has the same, but the road tax is accessed directly: ~60 cents per gallon. So the less gas you burn, the less tax you pay.
Where did you get that 60 cents figure. according to http://www.lmoga.com/taxrates.htm and other sites I found it varies by state with most states around 40 cents. The highest (Wisconsin) is around 50 cents.

Personally, I'd like to see it above $1 a gallon.
 

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So the US government put these prises in the fuel ? That is in my opinion more fare, when you drive you pay. In the Netherlands you get a seperate bill per car. Average for a Honda civic is about $250/300 a year.
For my Insight it is $160 a year, I own also a '74 civic and that one is (still) free of charge (roadtax) because it is older than 25 years. So if you do not drive you still have to pay. Always nice to see the difference between countrys/countries :? , forgot to spell.

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So the US government put these prises in the fuel ? That is in my opinion more fare, when you drive you pay. In the Netherlands you get a seperate bill per car. Average for a Honda civic is about $250/300 a year.
For my Insight it is $160 a year, I own also a '74 civic and that one is (still) free of charge (roadtax) because it is older than 25 years. So if you do not drive you still have to pay. Always nice to see the difference between countrys/countries :? , forgot to spell.

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The US does basically the same as Europe. Only under different labels. What you call "road tax" is called vehicle excise tax here and collected by local governments (towns).

Obviously there is a gas tax in Europe, too (check your price at the pump)! Only in the US it is a lot less than in Europe.
 

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So the US government put these prises in the fuel ? That is in my opinion more fare, when you drive you pay.
The idea of including a "road tax" at the pump was pushed in the 1920's by the American Automobile Association and other hobbyists as a way to pave over the dirt roads. It's been that way ever since.

And, the 60 cents figure came from my memory. Obviously my memory is faulty. :lol: As for the $1 suggestion, are you willing to pay double the price to ship items across the country?
 

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Of course, you could pay high road taxes AND high fuel taxes like us Brits. :cry: whinge, whinge, etc, etc

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Americans should not fear high fuel prices and the effect they would have on your economy. People will just spend a higher proportion of their income on gas rather than food, for example; no-one would give up their precious car. Additional transport costs are just absorbed. However, it hopefully might make more people think twice about the journey they are about to take.

It is because of these people's pure selfishness why I believe we will all end up driving effective & easy to use electric or fuel cell cars within the next 15 years because they will demand them to replace their gas guzzlers, rather than walk!
 
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