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After seeing hyesetrak's horrific pictures ("what do you call a man that walks away from this?" ...I would call him my best new friend [or my new best friend] who's going to buy me my next Lotto ticket :badgrin: ), and being loath to hijack his worthy thread, I would like to ask the good people of this forum a different, rather delicate, and perhaps tacky, question. But it goes to the survivability potential of driving an Insight, unfairly matched weightwise against humongous vehicles driven by Neanderthals (not those as smart as the Geico guys of commercial fame). I've been asked this question a number of times by curious admirers, and I've never had the answer, which I suspect is "no." :roll: But I would like to know for sure, for the sake of having an intelligent answer, and have always meant to ask here before:

Have any Insight accidents ever resulted in a driver or passenger fatality?

Considering the formidable cage totally surrounding the occupants (preventing them from being crushed), combined with the low-rolling resistance tires (which break traction long before the cage is deformed to the point of intrusion into the cabin), I would hazard a guess that someone belted inside an Insight is much safer than in most other vehicles out there. :eek:

I'm amazed and grateful for hyesetrak's survival. Any other experiences or comments? Surely someone here would know... ;)
 

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Wouldn't we have to compare the Insight against other vehicles? How well does it stand up in roll-overs, frontal impacts, side impacts, restraint systems, etc...? Wouldn't we need that to quantify any survivability statement?

I think the information would be interesting too.

I think one important factor is crash preventative measures. Antilock brakes, vehicle stability control, and good tires can be worth their weight in gold. Other times, they are worthless; like when you get plowed from the rear. :D The Insight lacks vehicle stability control and reputadly doesn't have the best tires for traction. Those would be strong negatives.
 

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If you want the facts, have the bent, the iron butt and steely gaze to sort through a mere hundred (or so ;) ) web pages the answer is here:

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS)

Build your own report based on the last year that complete data is available (2004) by make and many other parameters of choice. Honda = Code 37 as it will appear in the report and so is the Insight. There I just saved you reading 2 pages. ;) In 04 there were 3,412 fatal crashes. The report generator yields 100 listings per page. So for 04 you have a mere 34.12 pages of reading. Similar numbers of pages can be expected for each year going back to 1999 (the introduction of the Insight).
 

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WOW :shock: too coooool...

Now I only have to find the time to do this... :lol:

You're an amazing resource, John, many many thanks... Now I can honestly add to my stock response of "AFAIK, no one has ever been killed in an Insight" the extra "but you can check it out yourself at http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/ for this or virtually any other car since 1975!" ;)
 

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lol :lol:

Your question raised my curiosity too. But my eyes gave out (and my long dial-up speed load time didn't help). Was hoping you as the OP would go the distance. ;)

IIRC a search can be "packaged" into a .pdf for a dowload and a local search. Too bad the Honda manufacturer code and Insight vehicle codes are the same. Will make it a real pain to sort.
 

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According to the site during the last six years there have been an average of 1.9 deaths per 10,000 vehicles. If the Insight has an average safety rating, six people should have been killed so far. Less than that would be great. Some insurance companies are offering a hybrid discount as they have found hybrids and their drivers to be a better risk class. :D

Drive safely. ;)
 

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I sent this off this morning to the NHTSA, let's see what happens:

Thank you for your comments. Your comments were sent to [email protected]
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Subject:Honda Insight fatalities
Comments: We have been unable to narrow down a search to determine if any Honda Insight accidents have resulted in fatalities since the car's introduction in 1999. Can you direct us to a source with this information? We have been discussing this in our enthusiats' website, Insight Central: http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... php?t=5536 ...and have checked the FARS website with no results. Any help greatly appreciated!
 

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Does anyone have those pictures from the original thread boogety references? The OP of that thread gave Xanga - Site Status as a link, but that site is dead now. I'm interested to see those pictures.
 

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Wow, back from the dead...

BTW, those arrogant peeps at the NHTSA never did answer me... that's what I get for being lazy... :rolleyes:

Too bad the old site showing the damage is down, it was pretty brutal seeing our Insight looking kinda like this (disclaimer: this is a recreation):






...but what was neat about it, the outer safety cage was not at all deformed, even though it looked like some angry giants had played polo with the rest of the car... for an hour... :D
 

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I think this was the picture?
:headscratch: :eek:hno:

wow...note how the door panel isnt even dent in the slightest

proof the cage works :)
 

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I am still interested in the original question by boogetyboogety - has there been a fatality in a first generation Insight? Does the NHTSA website make it easier to check now?

FYI, there have only been two Insight thefts that have been posted on this forum...
 

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I'm curious too. Was just talking with someone about this. I imagine there has unfortunately been a fatality in an Insight, but maybe not.. maybe we all drive too slow. :D
 

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From the pic, looks like a Calif. car that got "sandwiched" while in the HOV lane through LA. 405

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I wonder what kinds of speeds were involved in this crash? I tried to find some of the slow speed crash study films for the G1 a while back but no matter where I searched it was a dead end.
 

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Looks like the 71 year old male driver of an insight in Maryland died 11 days after being involved in a head on collision in this accident: FARS Encyclopedia: Error

A 75 year old female driver of an insight in Georgia died 1 hour after rear-ending someone on a grade on a dirt road, not wearing her seatbelt. http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=378&StateNum=13&CaseYear=2008

58 year old female died 3 hours after getting T-boned passenger side turning left at an intersection in California: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=3268&StateNum=6&CaseYear=2007

66 year old female died 8 minutes after getting T-boned passenger side turning left at an intersection on a divided highway in Florida: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=526&StateNum=12&CaseYear=2007

60 year old male died 36 hours after being rear-ended while stopped in traffic lane in Texas: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=2483&StateNum=48&CaseYear=2007

49 year old female driver died 2.5 hours after being T-boned drivers side in Wisconsin, travelling straight through at a stop sign. 06 Mazda3 was the striking vehicle. 15 year old male passenger in the insight survived the crash. http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=67&StateNum=55&CaseYear=2006

48 year old female, died 8 minutes after causing this head-on collision in Florida, driving an insight: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=1568&StateNum=12&CaseYear=2005

80 year old male, died 7.5 hours after being T-boned passenger side, trying to access his driveway in Arizona: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=707&StateNum=4&CaseYear=2003

46 year old male, died 2 hours after being ejected from his insight, sideswiping an oncoming car while negotiating a curve in Illinois. Unknown if he was wearing a seatbelt, but he was not drunk or high: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=344&StateNum=17&CaseYear=2003

77 year old male, died at the scene; rollover after colliding with an embankment, negotiating a curve in California: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=860&StateNum=6&CaseYear=2001

Unrelated, but interesting. Insight driver T-boned a vehicle being driven by a 21 year old male, high on meth, killing that vehicles passenger on impact: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/QueryTool/QuerySection/AccidentDisplayForm.aspx?ShowData=accform&CaseNum=1169&StateNum=6&CaseYear=2005


That's all of the deceased insight drivers, according to that database.

Interesting observations:

There have been 10 deaths in a 1st gen insight in the US from 2000-2009.
All 1st gen Insight drivers who died in a crash in the US from 2000-2009 were at least 46 years of age
IIRC all of the cars were MY2000-2002. I don't recall seeing any of them being 2003-2006. (This is likely an artifact of the fact that the vast majority of 1st gen insights are MY2000-2001, the later cars are much more rare.)
Of the 10 deaths, 70% of them were over the age of 55.
Of the 3 that were under 55, one was ejected, one was T-boned on the driver's door, and the last collided head-on.
Of the 10 deaths, 40% of them were over the age of 70.
Of the 10 deaths, only 1 of them was a rollover, and that driver was 77 years old.
Of the 10 deaths, 40% of them were T-bone collisions, 3 on the passenger side, 1 on the drivers side.
Of the 10 collisions, only 1 of them had a passenger in the insight.
There were no fatal collisions involving a 1st gen insight in the US in 2000 or 2009.
Florida and California each had 2 of the 10 fatal insight collisions, the remaining 6 were spread one each across Illinois, Wisconsin, Texas, Georgia, Arizona, and Maryland.
Only 2 of the 10 deaths survived for greater than 24 hours after their collision, and only one longer than 48.

Also noticed:

There were a few cases I didn't list, where an insight was involved, but the occupants were not the deceased in the incident, several of these were insight->pedestrian collisions.


According to this page: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Trends/TrendsGeneral.aspx Fatality rate from 2000-2008 suggests an annual average fatality rate of 1.771 per 10,000 vehicles on the road. Assuming the insight has an average safety rating, and assuming there are 14,000 insights in the US, this would suggest there should be 2.479 deaths in a 1st gen insight per annum, meaning that over the 10 year window I checked (2000-2009), there should have been about 25 deaths. There were only 10. This leads me to the conclusion that the 1st gen Insight is about 2.5 times safer than the average car in the USA, in terms of annual deaths per vehicle on the road.

Calculating it another way, according to that page, in 2008, the average vehicle travelled 11549 miles. Assume 14,000 insights travelled that far, multiply the resulting 1.6169 (x100,000,000) miles by the 1.26 fatality / 100,000,000 vmt, and you get a fatality rate of 2.037 insight deaths average per annum, which is STILL fully double the actual insight fatality rate.
 

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Thanks very much for doing the work on that Racer26, appreciated.

Good to know that the Insight is 2.5 times safer than the average car in America. However 10 Insight deaths is still 10 too many.

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