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I need to replace an original radiator soon and may try adding Rislone Hy-Per Cool Super Coolant after flushing the system. It reportedly reduces surface tension of the coolant reducing bubbles and improving heat transfer thereby reducing head temperature "up to 75 degrees F". I hope that it makes the burping process easier. I wonder if anyone has tried this...
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Burping is burping. As far as 75 degrees cooler? Running cooler might make it less fuel efficient. I've no problem with running hot and personally wouldn't be the least but curious to try. I have yet put real miles on my insight but I'm the last two years I have put over 50k miles on mine and never had an issue with overheating being caught in traffic. I have overheated sitting in that little eggshell with no AC but car was fine.
Replace the radiator. Add "Asian Blue" coolant. Burp the system properly. Done.

Skip the step where you add magic snake oil.
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Burping is burping. As far as 75 degrees cooler? Running cooler might make it less fuel efficient. I've no problem with running hot and personally wouldn't be the least but curious to try. I have yet put real miles on my insight but I'm the last two years I have put over 50k miles on mine and never had an issue with overheating being caught in traffic. I have overheated sitting in that little eggshell with no AC but car was fine.
Thank you for your input.
Burping is burping. As far as 75 degrees cooler? Running cooler might make it less fuel efficient. I've no problem with running hot and personally wouldn't be the least but curious to try. I have yet put real miles on my insight but I'm the last two years I have put over 50k miles on mine and never had an issue with overheating being caught in traffic. I have overheated sitting in that little eggshell with no AC but car was fine.
Saxjonz, Thanks very much for your input. Good points to consider. In the times I have done the burping procedure it seems like there is no end to the tiny bubbles. The 16oz bottle is for a 12-20 quart system so if I decide to give it a try it would be just to add a little fortification to the coolant solution, and perhaps at a less than recommended amount. The Summer temperatures in the Sonoran desert run very hot for at least 3-4 months.
I've run Redline Water Wetter in my other cars back in the day and on some of them I did notice the temps were hovering around 180-190 degrees even under some very hard use at the track. I only saw it as a good alternative to keep coolant use cheap, since one bottle was $7 and 2 gallons of distilled water were $1. I replaced coolant fairly often on my 240sx after track days and whatnot, so it was economical to me versus getting $40 worth of coolant every time I serviced my engine.

In the case of the G1 the OEM is probably more economical if you are sticking to the service intervals. But if you already have it I don't see why not trying it out sometime.

I didn't note that it was easier to bleed on any of my cars though. Took about the same amount of time.
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Thanks very much Bull Dog and Tekuno Ichigo. I am not that mechanically inclined as are you both. I need to gather more input and check through more reviews. The G1 I may try it on is a car with 300k plus and is weathered and worn, but not worn out by any means. A blessing to have it as a basic driver.
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A note on water wetters. On cars that have to run straight water (i.e. at a drag strip where antifreeze is not allowed), a water wetter is used to help the water wet the insides of the engine.

In normal conditions, this isn't required. The additive package in the antifreeze will already have this taken care of.
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The gains stated on the sticker are vs pure water in lab conditions. production water cooled engines have a thermostat to control the temperature. It works as advertised in the lab conditions on the test bench where it's tested. unnecessary and of little value on a street vehicle in proper repair with the correct fluid.
Some good points here.

I'll emphasize that the biggest reason to run a product like this or RL Water Wetter, is so you can use straight water rather than a water/glycol solution like most commercially available "coolants". Water has the ability to carry significantly more heat vs. glycol products.

The Water Wetter or what have you serves two main functions 1) corrosion inhibitor, especially important on engines that are constructed of / contain dissimilar metals where the coolant can act as an electrolyte (like the ubiquitous iron block / AL head combo).

The other big one is like OP already mentioned, it is a surfactant. Helps break up surface tension. This helps the heat transfer process between the engine and the water, and then the water and the radiator.

I'm using Evans waterless coolant in my S2K, and that stuff performs really well at the track.

I used to track my Evo a lot, but it was still a street car and would occasionally see some colder temps, so I would run a compromise cocktail. 80/15/5 distilled/glycol/water wetter.
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I live in AZ when we can see 120F in ambient(in shade) temperature , never had issue with the 50%/50% blue coolant with purified water.
Replace the radiator. Add "Asian Blue" coolant. Burp the system properly. Done.

Skip the step where you add magic snake oil.
Completely agree here. What is likely killing engines (which we are NOT really hearing about) is not the manufacturer's recommended coolant, is not cooling capability, but coolant loss, caused by never checking the coolant and not knowing what to look for when you do.

With so many ways for a small leak to develop in these old cars, and with the temperature gauge not effectively warning of an air-in-head condition, checking the coolant level at every fillup is probably the best way to avoid an expensive failure caused by loss of coolant.

It's simple: put a piece of tape on the coolant reservoir tank near the driver headlight (LHD cars). Start with filling the tank to the L level if it has cold soaked or to the H level if the engine is hot and running. Get the car hot by driving it and without turning off the engine, read the high coolant mark on the tank; mark it on the tape. Then, after an overnight cold soak, mark the low level. At every fillup, check to level; it should remain at the H mark or quite close. Every once in a while, check the L level when the engine is cold. If the coolant ever goes above the H or below the L level, sort it out; check the Service Manual, and read or post here for tips.

I have a piece of tape where I can prominently see it when I open the fuel door that reminds me to "CHECK OIL AND COOLANT". I do this religiously at every fill-up, because I know that the time I don't is the time that the leak develops.

The coolant recovery reservoir is an essential component of the cooling system. I'll repeat that: it's an essential component of the cooling system. Since the cooling system is sealed, increases in temperature can lead to tremendous increases in pressure without a way to relieve that pressure. A pressure relief valve in the radiator cap allows this by allowing coolant to flow into the reservoir as the car heats. When the car cools, the drop in pressure sucks the coolant back into the engine.

Another known failure is the black tube falling into the coolant recovery tank. This needs to be secured. It is VERY important that this tube makes a tight seal around the tube on the tank cap. If not, then when the engine cools, instead of sucking coolant back in through this straw, it will suck air in through this "crack" in the straw.

Some of us suspect that low coolant isn't enough to raise the temperature gauge significantly but is enough to make the cam bearings run hotter (due to air in the head) leading to cam seizure. At a minimum it is likely contributing to overheats and cylinder head warping or gasket damage. @Bull Dog is in a far better position to speak about this than I am. I have only dealt with two cars that were exhibiting cooling system issues.

I hope this is helpful. It seems that the use of the "wetter" arose from track rules that prevent the use of antifreeze so as not to contaminate the track's surface, and is not an improvement to existing cars. The antifreeze that Honda specified has additives to protect the engine internals from corrosion. Unless one is willing to perform the long term, thorough electrochemical testing that took place when the cooling system was designed, I would not deviate from the Honda recommendations.

If one has actually instrumented the cooling system to monitor temperatures in extreme environments (ie, climbing out of Death Valley during the hottest days) and the small margin of additional cooling capacity is warranted, one should first check the obvious: is the temperature actually lower in normal conditions too or is the thermostat staying closed? Are the radiator fins corroded to the point where their cooling capacity is reached before the hottest environmental conditions are reached? (@Bull Dog recently posted about this as well.)

The decision to change something like coolant, oil, transmission fluid, etc from that recommended should be evidence-based, and sometimes the salesfolk don't want you to collect that evidence, because you might find that their product is warranted only in a situation that you'll never encounter (like taking your daily driver to the track).
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