___I believe I travel in more heavily congested conditions on a daily basis yet my lmpg is possibly a bit higher then yours? I am the guy in the far right lane doing the ~ speed limit and that is where it stands. I get passed by 18-wheelers, SUV’s, std. ICE based automobiles, and every Hybrid known to us and you know what, I am still doing the speed limit + or – depending on the ascent or descent of whatever hill I am driving across. If they want to travel faster, they have 2, 3, 4, or 5 other lanes to pass me by on my left. With that, I am using a minimum amount of fuel and minimizing the amount of emissions from my rather average polluting Insight for my rather lengthy commute.
___As for sitting in traffic jams, I am sitting with everyone else albeit w/ autostop the best I can. Even with Autostop, my mileage during those periods is falling heavily. I lose ~ 3 to 4 mpg for every 3 - 5 mile stop and go traffic jam and there isn’t a darn thing I can do about it. I sat through 2 of those today and have had too at least once on every afternoon commute this week
And cost? Why do you keep harping on that?
___And again, the thread was involving someone looking for a daily driver for an ~ 150 mile round trip commute. Jeepnut wasn’t looking for a Yugo, a Porsche, or a BMW. In the general tone of the thread, cost is very important. If you cannot make up the cost with fuel savings while driving an 04 Insight, HCH, or Prius, why purchase one with their lowly performance in comparison to any other number of std. ICE based automobiles? Here is an estimate over just 1 year with 37,500 miles driven (150 miles/day * 5days/week * 50 weeks/yr.). Do the math at lets say $2.00/gallon.
04 Honda Insight 5-speed: 37,500 miles/65 mpg = 577 gallons/year * $2.00/gallon = $1,154/yr. in fuel
04 Honda Civic LX 5-speed: 37,500 miles/38 mpg = 987 gallons/year * $2.00/gallon = $1,974/yr. in fuel
04 Toyota Corolla LE 5-speed: 37,500 miles/40 mpg = 937 gallons/year * $2.00/gallon = $1,874/yr. in fuel
04 Ford Focus 5-speed: 37,500 miles/33 mpg = 1,136 gallons/year * $2.00/gallon = $2,272/yr. in fuel
___I am assuming the Insight will pull an EPA estimate driving normally vs. every one of the other automobiles pulling EPA estimates driving normally as well … In the worst case, you save $1,118/yr. in fuel costs by driving an ~ $20,000 04 Honda Insight 5-speed vs. a $16,000 - $17,500 (the price range depends on your location and if you have access to the X-Plan) 04 PZEV based Ford Focus.
___The above was when comparing the 04 5-speed Insight with the best fuel economy in comparison to the Civic, Corolla, or Focus. I did not bother comparing the fuel savings against the much lower fuel economy capable 04 Insight w/ CVT, HCH w/ manual or Auto, or an 04 Prius. If gas goes to $2.50 or higher, you can keep doing the math. Imagine what the pack is capable of after 4 years of the hill Jeepnut has described? If you did happen to have a pack replacement at the 150,000 mile point, all fuel savings are thrown completely out the window given the cost of the pack.
___Figgy, even with Autostop in use at the light in an Insight, the Ford Focus PZEV is still much cleaner. In fact, if you drive any PZEV based automobile including the 2.3 L Ford Focus through a heavily smog laydened area, it actually cleans the air it drives through! The NOx spike(s) on startup and shutdown of any Hybrid is significant enough in comparison to the emissions savings while in Autostop to be almost negligible.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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