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Hey everyone. I just wanna say first off that I'm glad I found this website. It helped me get a lot of things fixed on my 2002 Honda Insight (5 speed) that I've only had for a couple of months. But I'm currently stumped at this new problem I'm having, the ignition lock cylinder.

3 days ago (Friday), I parked my Insight, turned the steering wheel to the left, and went to work. After work, I came back to a locked steering wheel and my key wouldn't turn. I was stuck at work for an additional 9 hours just to get it to turn but couldn't get it to turn. I've tried:

- Jiggling steering wheel left and right while turning key
- Hammered key lightly in ignition to try to get the pins unsprung
- Jump starting but can't turn key
- WD40 the ignition keyhole to lubricate
- Rolled back and forth to get the steering wheel unlocked
- Pressing the brake while turning the key

After several failures, I eventually called it quits and paid for a tow. Now the Insight is parked in the garage and still unable to turn the key. The only thing I've done is removed the plastic covers for the steering column and drilled a hole under the steering wheel to take out the spring that locks the steering wheel. I was hoping that unlocking the steering wheel would allow me to turn the key, but I was wrong. Now the steering wheel turns completely, but I still cannot turn the key to start the car (ignition stuck at 0, won't go to ACC, II, or III). So here's my current situation:

- Key will not turn out of 0 or OFF, cannot start car
- I can insert and remove the key, makes beeping sound
- Steering wheel is unlocked because I drilled hole to remove spring

I've been at it for 3 straight days now with no progress. All I've done so far is stress myself out. I don't know how to fix this, but I want to DIY to save money. I've already spent $200 on towing and tools that simply did not work. I'm trying to avoid spending more money on towing it to the dealership or a mechanic. I feel I need to get the lock cylinder removed, but I have no idea how because there's no space to remove the screws to the Immobilizer and I don't have much space to remove the steering column. I have already exhausted google and honda-tech, barely any threads on the Honda Insight. I've learned that the Immobilizer has nothing to do with not letting the key turn.

Can anyone help me out? :confused: Any advice or suggestions? Tips or tricks maybe? Pics and guides would be really helpful because I have no idea how to remove the steering column or the lock cylinder itself. Thanks in advance!
 

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Hi , I have seen a similar problem on another car - a chrysler town and country I think.

First (probably you tried that already) try to find a sweet spot for the key , move it slightly in and out ( 1/16) or1-2 mm only while trying to turn it at the same time , not needed more movement and not needed any force, if it works it will work with minimal force...... If your key is worn out that may help.

Now what happened to the Chrysler: The owner had a key chain with many keys, and other stuff on it , probably close to 1/2 to 1 pound of junk . With time all this dangling weight damaged the cylinder and only replacement of the ignition assembly could fix it...

in the manual it says that the lock is held by two sheer bolts, ( when tightened they hex heads twist off)
the manual said to drill their heads off with 3/16 (5mm ) bit.

pm me you email address I will take photos of the pages and will send to you if you decide to go that way.




hope above info helps
 

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I have tried this for 3 days and starting to think that it's a broken pin or spring that is pushing a pin which won't allow my key to turn. I soaked it in WD40 and kept on jiggling the key, inserting and re-inserting, and even tapping the key with a hammer in hopes to get the key to turn. Still no luck.

Unless someone can confirm that this must be done longer than 3 days, I don't want to put any more blisters on my thumb. I appreciate the help though, but I think I've already exhausted this method.
 

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do you have more than one key? have you tried a second key?
the key you're using maybe worn and not pushing the tumbler pins far enough in to enable the barrel to turn.
If you have tried the above then sorry but you're going to be looking at a new barrel and key

Dave
 

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I have tried my clean spare and like the original key with the chip, it won't turn. The teeth in both keys are fine and they're not bent. Both keys lock and unlock the doors and trunk, just not the ignition. The ignition cylinder worked fine, up until my steering wheel locked. I think the cylinder itself has malfunctioned unless someone can tell me otherwise.

It just seems like the pins that allow me to turn the key are just stuck. Jiggling, hammering or lubricating won't get them unstuck. I am still jiggling and hammering the key while in the ignition as I am waiting for more help/responses.

Are there any pics or guides on how to remove the steering column or ignition cylinder housing (specifically for the insight or any Honda with an immobilizer)?
 

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Have you tried a "locksmith" in your area? Some of the old timers can do wonders.You can download the pdf manual here at ICN.
PLEASE post your LOCATION in your PROFILE.
 

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I have called a few locksmiths, but they only offer to re-key. And I don't think a new key would help the ignition turn if I can lock/unlock my doors/trunk. A new fresh cut key would just get stuck in my ignition lock cylinder.

I'm looking into buying a new lock cylinder. I'm wondering if old lock cylinders without an Immobilizer would work with the 1st gen insight?

Also, I need help on removing the ignition housing. I see 2 screws at the top with no rivets. Many threads say to dremel the screw or tap it with a punch or chisel and screwdrive it out. I'm having trouble with that because the Insight has very little space to work with. So I need to find other screws to make it easier to remove.

So basically these two questions:

- Will an old lock cylinder without an Immobilizer work with a 2002 Honda Insight?
- How to remove the lock cylinder?

Thanks in advance!
 

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I have googled ' ignition key stuck ' and found many threads from other forums with similar problems . Many folk seem to have had success sliding a very thin screwdriver or metal strip in between the key tumblers when the key is not in the ignition switch .
 

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Did you figure this out? My car is doing the exact same thing, and I was curious if you got the ignition cylinder to cooperate!
 

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If you're steering wheel is locked and has pressure from the tires keeping it locked then it will be difficult to turn the ignition key.

You need to apply turning pressure to the steering wheel just enough to get it off the locked position, and now you can turn your ignition key.

Jiggle the steering wheel back and forth an inch or two while trying to turn the ignition key.

If that fails after a few attempts, then you ignition lock is worn out.
 

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Yeah, it doesn't seem to be a locked wheel, I've tried the jiggling for about an hour total now. How do I fix a worn out ignition?
 

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That has happened to me a few times over the years. The best thing to do is NOT PARK WITH THE WHEELS FACING STRAIGHT AHEAD. Slightly turn the steering wheel before removing the key.

Sometimes, pushing the key IN to its max before turning also helps.

HTH
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Just to confirm, when I say Jiggle the steering wheel, I mean pretend like you're a kid driving a race car and actually turn the wheel a bit. Turn the wheel full to the right and try turning the key. Turn the wheel full to the left and try the key. Now turn the wheel to the middle of where the wheel stopped during the left and right turns. Hold the steering wheel there and try the key.
 

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Yeah, I've had a locked steering wheel in my previous cars, and once already with the Insight, but this isn't responding to the treatment. It seems like the same situation as ccaesar, something besides a simple locked steering wheel. It became more of a problem with the cold weather, but I am unsure if that was causation or mere correlation.
 

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If something is jammed/frozen try spraying right into the key hole with WD-40, penetrating oil, or even better is silicone lubricant spray.
 

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I have a 72 bay window van. I bought the vehicle with no keys and the whole thing was in parts.The problem is the steering lock is on, and obviously without a key I cannot get it off. I first thought to get the key codes from both front doors and sliding door to see if they are the same and have a key made to that code which will hopefully fit the ignition.But my thinking is wrong then i contact to Locksmith Parkland and they are very much experts in their profession.
 

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Hi, Actually it is very simple... only if we read the manual.
Page 160 says: If the front wheels are turned, the anti-theft lock may make it difficult to turn the key. Firmly turn the steering wheel to left or right as you turn the key.

It works... I had the same situation. I had just got in the car and turned the wheel to say something on the front wheel... and locked wheel and no ignition.

So, keep it simple instead of going on spending large amounts of time and money.

Raj
 

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I am having a similar issue. It was starting to happen while I was far away from home. As I removed the key it would not click like it was supposed to and then when you put back in the key it would not turn at all, regardless of pushing it in or wiggling it, etc. I degreased it and lubed it and nothing. It has nothing to do with the steering lock. I think I am going to order a used part with key to fix it, but will have to have the car towed.
 

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Use the "Process of Elimination" for diagnois. IF you have the "valet" key. Try it first. IF same problem, the lock itself is the problem. (Probably worn out pins)

HTH
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