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The knock sensor for the Insight has PHM inside its honda part number, meaning honda created it FOR the insight.

Stick with sensors made for the Insight.

The sensors from Rockauto are generally good.

NTK ID0148 can be found on amazon and ebay at times, and is pretty much always a great brand to choose.
 

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~$220 for an oem sensor is insane, ludicrous, unimaginable, and i am literally shaking right now. For real though... I would never pay that much for a little sensor

If you guys think OEM is that necessary I would just put in a good used sensor
 

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~$220 for an oem sensor is insane, ludicrous, unimaginable, and i am literally shaking right now. For real though... I would never pay that much for a little sensor

If you guys think OEM is that necessary I would just put in a good used sensor
I agree that a new OEM sensor from Honda is so expensive(even more of a sticker shock than many other OEM Honda parts) that it makes me a consider that there may be an affordable alternative. Need to clear a P0325 and want the car to run properly. I am hoping that the NTK comes up on Amazon or RA, but may be able to obtain a used one. The old one has come apart and doesn't look repairable. I was hoping to hear that another KS(such as the S2000/Civic KS) would substitute. I may try one and see. There are EGR substitutions, so it's possible. Thanks very much for input from all.
 

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I have obtained same used from Scott Kulbeck. KLR3CYL on this forum, or reach to him at Jue Motors in Covina, California.
 

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Knock sensors are "frequency" sensitive. Maybe one for a GEO metro is similar? (3 cyl)
 

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~$220 for an oem sensor is insane, ludicrous, unimaginable, and i am literally shaking right now. For real though... I would never pay that much for a little sensor

If you guys think OEM is that necessary I would just put in a good used sensor
$220 is not insane for a very low production sensor.
 

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Rockauto has Ultrapower and Beck Arnley brands @ approx $45 and $55 each. Kind of wondering if anyone has tried other sensors such as the 30530-PRC-003 which is for other Honda vehicles such as the S2000. These are as low as approx $10.
So what you are saying is that you would be willing to risk ruining your engine, $$$$, in the name of saving $$?

The correct answer is good used.

I worked on an Insight recently. It was a disaster. Among other things, there was a stored P0325 (knock sensor code). Customer broke his knock sensor while attempting to work on his car. Customer replaced his knock sensor with one of the cheapest ones that he could find on Rockauto.

Customer paid for a PoS that didn't work, and then paid again to have us replace his knock sensor with a good used part.

Same customer also replaced his A/F (#1 O2) sensor with the cheapest thing that (inaccurately) showed as compatible with a 2000 Insight. Then he paid again to purchase the correct sensor. Being cheap is expensive.

Do the job right and do it once.
 

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So what you are saying is that you would be willing to risk ruining your engine, $$$$, in the name of saving $$?

The correct answer is good used.

I worked on an Insight recently. It was a disaster. Among other things, there was a stored P0325 (knock sensor code). Customer broke his knock sensor while attempting to work on his car. Customer replaced his knock sensor with one of the cheapest ones that he could find on Rockauto.

Customer paid for a PoS that didn't work, and then paid again to have us replace his knock sensor with a good used part.

Same customer also replaced his A/F (#1 O2) sensor with the cheapest thing that (inaccurately) showed as compatible with a 2000 Insight. Then he paid again to purchase the correct sensor. Being cheap is expensive.

Do the job right and do it once.
Bull Dog,
Thanks for your reply. I greatly appreciate your experience with this. Just wondering if your customer was ever able to clear(even temporarily)the P0325 with the Rockauto replacement? Also, it sounds like you would not recommend any aftermarket KS. Would this include such brands as the NTK, WVE, Beck Arnley, or Intermotor,... that may have worked for others? Thanks very much for any additional advice. Have a great day.
 

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Oem and NTK are the only sensible repalcements. Anything else, while it might be made in the same facility (which is why so many brands share similar part numbers, for example), the quality control differs greatly in some cases.

Ignition coils, for example. I bought 3 duralast branded coils for my Insight while troubleshooting a random misfire when the engine was warmed up. Nothing but trouble, heck, it ran WORSE.

Grabbed the three from a donor Insight engine, likely older or even original ignition coils, engine was SUPER happy.

While the price does not always seem great, understand that critical sensors can technically be whatever price they want to charge, they will still sell.

So roughly $200 for a guaranteed perfect sensor is not out of the norm of sensibility!!
 

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Oem and NTK are the only sensible repalcements. Anything else, while it might be made in the same facility (which is why so many brands share similar part numbers, for example), the quality control differs greatly in some cases.

Ignition coils, for example. I bought 3 duralast branded coils for my Insight while troubleshooting a random misfire when the engine was warmed up. Nothing but trouble, heck, it ran WORSE.

Grabbed the three from a donor Insight engine, likely older or even original ignition coils, engine was SUPER happy.

While the price does not always seem great, understand that critical sensors can technically be whatever price they want to charge, they will still sell.

So roughly $200 for a guaranteed perfect sensor is not out of the norm of sensibility!!
M. Liston,
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. I am watching for a new NTK, and may end up seeking out a used OEM sensor. Thankfully, I have another vehicle to drive. ICN is sure a great resource.
 
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