It's almost certainly not the seatbelt. Although it should be!
No Assist
Something's wrong w/ David's Insight. 
The MIL engine light has been on solid for two weeks. (Gas cap tight and premium gas; he hoped this would fix it). There is absolutely NO Assist. When I drove the car today it quickly went into a recalibration, and would only charge back up to half guage. It's ailing.
After reading several similar posts, I'm guessing this is an O2 sensor problem and have a few questions:
1. What are the two O2 sensors in the Insight...is one the Air Ratio Sensor and the other the Linear Air Fuel? What exactly does the Air Ratio Sensor do?
2. Are faulty O2 sensors the only cause for a check engine light?
3. The ECM recall was supposed to be fixed. Are the O2/emissions components warranteed for 3 years or 8 years? The sensors look expensive.
4. This is really grasping at straws...but, could the fact that my husband rarely uses his seatbelt play any role?... could the belt alarm lights and bells somehow be tied to the engine light?
5. Would it be worthwhile to stop by AutoZone tomorrow and request a code check?
Silver has an appointment Monday at the dealership so we should know more soon.
Thank-you ...and grateful for any Assist.
The MIL engine light has been on solid for two weeks. (Gas cap tight and premium gas; he hoped this would fix it). There is absolutely NO Assist. When I drove the car today it quickly went into a recalibration, and would only charge back up to half guage. It's ailing.After reading several similar posts, I'm guessing this is an O2 sensor problem and have a few questions:
1. What are the two O2 sensors in the Insight...is one the Air Ratio Sensor and the other the Linear Air Fuel? What exactly does the Air Ratio Sensor do?
2. Are faulty O2 sensors the only cause for a check engine light?
3. The ECM recall was supposed to be fixed. Are the O2/emissions components warranteed for 3 years or 8 years? The sensors look expensive.
4. This is really grasping at straws...but, could the fact that my husband rarely uses his seatbelt play any role?... could the belt alarm lights and bells somehow be tied to the engine light?
5. Would it be worthwhile to stop by AutoZone tomorrow and request a code check?
Silver has an appointment Monday at the dealership so we should know more soon.
Thank-you ...and grateful for any Assist.
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I second that. Just had someone on my mail route die when he was thrown threw the windshield because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt. I see his widow nearly every day. Not a pleasant situationAaron Cake said:
All the seatbelt comments are completely correct and I will keep working on it...as I have for 16 years. On family outings we usually get everybody buckled in, but the Gordo Cooper solo trips are more difficult to influence.
Mr. Cake, thank-you especially for answering the technical questions as well as for encouraging safety. Your information on the O2 sensors was great...it made the IC encyclopedia article more understandable and it really helped on the visit to the dealership.
Silver is still in sickbay. The Honda techs retrieved a Code P1164, lean burn failure, on the #1 O2 sensor and so this will need to be replaced. It should cost $368. The sensors have a 3 year warranty here.
The mechanics also retrieved several "embedded" codes (How do codes get embedded? :?: ). I believe these were numbered 23A for an engine speed fault and 541 and 611 for IMA battery voltage faults. Based on the two battery trouble codes, they plan to replace the IMA battery under the 8/80 warranty.
The new battery and sensor are ordered but it may be a few days until they arrive.
Mr. Cake, thank-you especially for answering the technical questions as well as for encouraging safety. Your information on the O2 sensors was great...it made the IC encyclopedia article more understandable and it really helped on the visit to the dealership.
Silver is still in sickbay.
The Honda techs retrieved a Code P1164, lean burn failure, on the #1 O2 sensor and so this will need to be replaced. It should cost $368. The sensors have a 3 year warranty here.The mechanics also retrieved several "embedded" codes (How do codes get embedded? :?: ). I believe these were numbered 23A for an engine speed fault and 541 and 611 for IMA battery voltage faults. Based on the two battery trouble codes, they plan to replace the IMA battery under the 8/80 warranty.
The new battery and sensor are ordered but it may be a few days until they arrive.
Here's an update on little Silver... the Honda dealership received the new IMA battery and #1 O2 sensor and installed both last week. They planned to retain the original BCM-MCM and reprogram these for the new battery, but this was not successful. When the tech ran through the post-battery-installation checks he got P1447 and ??77 errors which indicated the BCM-MCM were not networking correctly with the new battery.
So new BCM-MCM computers are on order. The dealership doesn't expect these to arrive until October 31st! Meanwhile, the say it's OK to drive the car. They said the IMA light will be on & the battery and electric motor will be non-functional but it will not harm the new battery or the car to drive it around.
Does this sound correct? Are there any driving precautions to be heeded? Will the new battery be OK just sitting back there?
I read HalfNHalf's "EEEK IMA LIGHT" post and it sounds like his Insight also drew a P1447 error and that he also is waiting till November for a new BCM-MCM. Is Honda low on the BCM-MCM computers right now?
Thank-you in advance for any Assist.
So new BCM-MCM computers are on order. The dealership doesn't expect these to arrive until October 31st!
Meanwhile, the say it's OK to drive the car. They said the IMA light will be on & the battery and electric motor will be non-functional but it will not harm the new battery or the car to drive it around.Does this sound correct? Are there any driving precautions to be heeded? Will the new battery be OK just sitting back there?
I read HalfNHalf's "EEEK IMA LIGHT" post and it sounds like his Insight also drew a P1447 error and that he also is waiting till November for a new BCM-MCM. Is Honda low on the BCM-MCM computers right now?
Thank-you in advance for any Assist.
Interesting. It has been reliably reported that installing newer MCM & BCM controllers with an old IMA pack is functional. Seems like it might not be the other way around :?: Hmmm...
It would be GREAT if you could get this one pinned down for the group :!:
It has been increasingly reported that the MCM & BCM's are hard to get.
And yes, you'll be driving a "gutless wonder" without the IMA assist but AFAIK no harm or damage will occur to the IMA batteries.
Hope this "chrg"'s you up enough to go the distance
It would be GREAT if you could get this one pinned down for the group :!:
It has been increasingly reported that the MCM & BCM's are hard to get.
And yes, you'll be driving a "gutless wonder" without the IMA assist but AFAIK no harm or damage will occur to the IMA batteries.
Hope this "chrg"'s you up enough to go the distance
AFAIK the DC-DC converter is working as long as the "standard" 12v charge warning lite on the dash is black when driving. Don't remember if switching off the IMA breaker also turns off the converter.
But you will be at the 12v batteries "mercy".
But you will be at the 12v batteries "mercy".
The main breaker shuts off EVERYTHING to do with the IMA pack. Battery, motor controller, DC-DC, everything. Wiring diagram in the factory service manual pretty much confirms this.
Wiring diagram in the factory service manual pretty much confirms this.
We are at three months and still no computers for little "Silver" The October 31 ETA came and one computer had arrived but not the other...our service advisor said he did not know if they had the BCM or MCM, but whichever one was lacking should arrive November 11. They would hold onto the one controller until the other arrived. Well, it never arrived and now the next ETA is December 4! When asked, "why??" the dealership could only say that production of this part in Japan was backed up...but this time David had some sort of "reservation" number for the computer, whenever it did get built.
David has been driving "Silver" with a "new" battery pack but the old computers these past three months. No IMA light... but likewise no "oomph" and about 15 mpg less on the average than "Papaya". He really wants the IMA repair complete (and the family MPG games to begin :!: )
Do you think a polite call to Honda America would be out of line? We have no complaints with our dealership, just want to know what is holding this up.
The October 31 ETA came and one computer had arrived but not the other...our service advisor said he did not know if they had the BCM or MCM, but whichever one was lacking should arrive November 11. They would hold onto the one controller until the other arrived. Well, it never arrived and now the next ETA is December 4! When asked, "why??" the dealership could only say that production of this part in Japan was backed up...but this time David had some sort of "reservation" number for the computer, whenever it did get built.David has been driving "Silver" with a "new" battery pack but the old computers these past three months. No IMA light... but likewise no "oomph" and about 15 mpg less on the average than "Papaya". He really wants the IMA repair complete (and the family MPG games to begin :!: )
Do you think a polite call to Honda America would be out of line? We have no complaints with our dealership, just want to know what is holding this up.
A polite call won't help speed things up but if they open a case file (which may not, nor should it be necessary unless something is up at your delearships end) then you'll get a bit more attention.sputnik said:
AFAIK, and its only from the several posts here it is a "real" problem. Honda goofed somewhere in the chain of production and there is a backlog.
HTH!
Sorry missed this in my eariler reply.sputnik said:
Hmm,
New IMA pack with the original MCM & BCM should equal like new performance. There are credible reports of _slightly_ reduced IMA battery Assist with the new controllers.
Sounds like hubby is looking for an "excuse" for his heavy left foot.
Or maybe something more serious. Unless you can identify something different in the commute I'd get the primary O2 sensor checked before potential resulting CAT damage :shock: $$$$
See:
http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... 9&start=60
HTH!
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