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Bought 2000 insight 3 or so months ago, doing my first oil change, underbody covers are off, have 17mm socket ready to go, but the drain plug will not bulge, plug has signs of stripped top, ie, someone didn't have metric and did it with a vice grip or channel lock, no leaking thank God, have my 3 qts 0w-20 and my new crush washer ready to go and everything, just need to get the f**cking drain plug off, any suggestions?

I am just trying to remove a super tight drain plug....

I am going to replace it with a brand new plug whenever I get it off...
 

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Someone may have stripped the thread previously and bonded it back in somehow.

Stipped oil pan threads are very common. Do not use the recommend torque in the manual to do it up, I use 50% max.

You can get a siphon thing so you can suck the oil out from the top.

Other than that, get a bigger spanner/lever until it comes out but you risk cracking/damaging the magnesium pan. It's fairly expensive to replace.
 

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siphon pump?

good call on the siphon pump, big deal if a little old oil stays in, right? what about sediments? guess we'll see...
 

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what is a futomoto oil drain valve?

sorry I misspelled it...a futomoto oil drain valve? what is it? does it just fit in the existing oil drain plug threading? There is an 8mm bolt above my 17mm oil drain plug? what is it?

the siphon worked, used one called "magic-vac" and ran it through the dipstick pipe. drained out all the oil, replaced honda filter with bosch, drove about 5 miles, checked for leaks, nothing so far, hope all goes well

noticed that not only did previous owner's last oil change guy wrench down oil drain plug too tight, he also re-installed the underbody cover wrong, it was "inside out" and about to fall off, so I am really glad I got on insightcentral and figured some of this stuff out myself
 

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sorry I misspelled it...a futomoto oil drain valve? what is it? does it just fit in the existing oil drain plug threading? There is an 8mm bolt above my 17mm oil drain plug? what is it?

the siphon worked, used one called "magic-vac" and ran it through the dipstick pipe. drained out all the oil, replaced honda filter with bosch, drove about 5 miles, checked for leaks, nothing so far, hope all goes well

noticed that not only did previous owner's last oil change guy wrench down oil drain plug too tight, he also re-installed the underbody cover wrong, it was "inside out" and about to fall off, so I am really glad I got on insightcentral and figured some of this stuff out myself
The Fumoto valve is now known as the Quick Oil Drain Valve, the official site is QuickOilDrainValve.com - the best way to change oil

I bought mine from these guys for a good price
www.lubricationspecialist.com
I got the N type which has the nipple for connecting a hose which helps alot with getting the oil into a smaller jug instead of a big pan and allow for me to do oil sampling much easier too. These valves make changing oil a breeze. If only the oil filter was slightly less messy, but it isn't too bad so I can't complain.
 

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There is an 8mm bolt above my 17mm oil drain plug? what is it?f
It attaches a small plate between the drain plug and the oil pan. It may serve as a harder surface against which the crush washer seals rather than depending on the softer magnesium allow oil pan. If you do get a Fumoto oil drain valve (and you should), it's probably best to remove this plate so that the Fumoto valve will have more undamaged oil pan threads to which to attach.

When I bought my used Insight, I discovered that the dealer who performed the most recent oil change had overfilled the crankcase with 4 quarts of oil :mad: When I tried to drain the oil, I was unable to remove the overtightened oil plug. I ended up attaching the longest socket wrench handle I had positioning the handle so that its end was just touching the ground when the socket was on the drain plug. Then I carefully lowered my jacked-up car so that the weight of the car was being used to loosen the drain plug. As I slowly lowered my car, a sudden pop indicated that either the drain plug had loosened or that something had broken. Fortunately, the drain plug loosened with no visible damage to the drain plug threads; I was lucky. I have since installed a Fumoto valve so that I don't have to worry about stripped oil pan threads any longer.
 

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Do you think impact would be safer than hand tools for removing an overtightened bolt? It's much better at removing rust-siezed fasteners without breaking them.
 

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good call on the siphon pump, big deal if a little old oil stays in, right? what about sediments? guess we'll see...
The Insight engine must be the cleanest on the road for sediments, at drain time the Oil is barely discoloured, in fact the Manual states change the Filter every other Oil change making 18,000 miles Filter life.

It might be something to do with the highly efficient combustion, low levels of combustion byproducts which contaminate the Engine oil.

I do not think there is much of a problem with trapped sediments by not using the sump bolt to drain off the last fraction of used oil
 

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bolt above drain plug, and which way to turn drain plug?

SO, thanks everyone for advice, still have a few questions.....

1) the 8mm bolt above oil drain plug must be stripped on mine, it won't tighten no matter how much it is turned in either direction, so far no poblems, no leaks, could this eventually become a bigger issue?

2) eventually I am going to try either weight of car or impact driver on oil drain plug, but which direction does it need to turn to be loosened? I know that's a stupid question, but I don't want to mess it up. If I am looking at the car from the front, ie, steering wheel is on my right, which direction do I turn the oil drain plug to get it off? Don't want to send it the wrong way and really mess sh*t up

If I can go 18,000 miles between oil filters, then the siphon method I used yesterday to get the old oil out will be an easy solution, and I'll only have to get "down and dirty" twice a year, again thanks everyone at insight central
 

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If I am looking at the car from the front, ie, steering wheel is on my right, which direction do I turn the oil drain plug to get it off?
Clockwise, but that's the wrong perspective by which to determine direction. Looking at the plug(which means you're looking forward at the back of the engine with the steering wheel on left) it's righty tighty, lefty loosey.
 

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The Insight engine must be the cleanest on the road for sediments, at drain time the Oil is barely discoloured, in fact the Manual states change the Filter every other Oil change making 18,000 miles Filter life.

It might be something to do with the highly efficient combustion, low levels of combustion byproducts which contaminate the Engine oil.

I do not think there is much of a problem with trapped sediments by not using the sump bolt to drain off the last fraction of used oil
UK manuals post a 9000 mile OCI in them? The US manuals post 7500 miles. I'll be running mine longer at the direction of oil analysis but I wouldn't be without it going any farther than the standard interval.

My oil plug was incredibly tight the first time I changed my oil after I got the car from the previous owner. I had to put just about as much might as I had in order to get the plug out and was under some serious fear of cracking the pan or discovering that the threads were gone after finally getting it off. The threads were fine though but the cracking sound that it made as the threads released the bolt was terrifying but everything is fine. I have my Fumoto valve on it now and won't even need to go under the car to change the oil or sample it for analysis anymore. I just need a better pan to slip under the aero panels in order to extract the filter when I need to actually change the oil.
 

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Clockwise, but that's the wrong perspective by which to determine direction. Looking at the plug(which means you're looking forward at the back of the engine with the steering wheel on left) it's righty tighty, lefty loosey.
When looking at the plug and trying to loosen it, it is counter clockwise. Another point of clarification, the lefty loosey bit is when you are looking directly at the bolt, it is the top of the bolt going to the left. If that makes sense. If that gets mixed up with an oil plug on an Insight, there might be bigger issues.
 

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Try squirting it with some penetrating oil like PB Blaster and letting it sit a bit before you try and loosen the drain bolt.

And definitely invest in the Fumoto valve so you never have to worry about it again.
 

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The Fumoto valve is now known as the Quick Oil Drain Valve, the official site is QuickOilDrainValve.com - the best way to change oil

I bought mine from these guys for a good price
We sell amsoil primrose bosch espar evans fumoto lubrication products in Indianapolis Indiana
I got the N type which has the nipple for connecting a hose which helps alot with getting the oil into a smaller jug instead of a big pan and allow for me to do oil sampling much easier too. These valves make changing oil a breeze. If only the oil filter was slightly less messy, but it isn't too bad so I can't complain.
Looks like F-106N. Correct? Did you also need the adapter?
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F-106N is all you need.

I rarely buy into new gadgets and hype but I do endorse the F valve. Installed one a few months back and it works awesome!

To remove your drain plug... get a socket that fits it tightly then tap it with a hammer, the metal to metal shock ought to break it loose without a problem.

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1) the 8mm bolt above oil drain plug must be stripped on mine, it won't tighten no matter how much it is turned in either direction, so far no poblems, no leaks, could this eventually become a bigger issue?
That bolt attaches a small plate to the oil pan, but with the oil plug installed, this plate can't fall off. I believe that this plate has an O-ring seal between it and the oil pan, so if it squirms around too much when the drain plug is loosened and tightened, I suppose the O-ring could eventually be damaged enough to leak. The best fix would be to remove this bolt and the plate and to install a Fumoto drain valve.

2) eventually I am going to try either weight of car or impact driver on oil drain plug, but which direction does it need to turn to be loosened?
The loosening direction is counter-clockwise when looking at the drain plug.
 

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Removing the plate (the one the 8mm bolt holds on) allows the new drain valve to have pristine threads to screw into as well.

That is sometimes an issue when the outer threads have become worn after too many loosenings/tightenings (especially with an air wrench)
 

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I went to change my oil for the first time today, and couldn't get the bolt to budge. I slid my camera down there and snapped a picture. It looks like the previous owner drove a bolt into the oil pan where the drain plug was. Not cool, Marty!

Anyway, reading up on how many stripped/ cracked pans are out there, I'm not about to be a hero and try to impact that bolt off. Chalk one more for the siphon method.
 

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Please post the picture. The drain "plug" has a "bolt" appearance

Willie
 
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